CHoogendyk@AOL.COM
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:26:25 EDT
>So Microsoft fudges the screen and makes
>things a little bigger than they are on paper so they "look right"
>on the screen.
'scuse me?
I think you are making this up.
Things on Windows screens look SMALLER, not larger. The original statement was
96dpi on Windows screens (I didn't check this, but I know they look smaller),
and 72dpi on Mac screens. I would guess that Microsoft probably did this to
cram more onto the screen or something like that. This "look right"
supposition just doesn't sound like Microsoft and furthermore doesn't fit with
the facts of our own observation.
Chris Hoogendyk
(graphic arts specialist &
former owner of a Linotronic service bureau)
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cathyf@infocom.com
Thu, 1 Oct 98 08:44:31 -0500
Yes, it can. I once downloaded some shareware product (Rainbow, I think
it was called) that was supposed to do that, there may be others. But you
need the real Atari ROM to run it. I didn't, so I never tried anything
with it.
You might call Toad Computers for advice -- they specialized in Atari
products (computers and game systems - yay, Lynx!). The last number I
have for them is
Back in 1995, they were at: (800) 448-TOAD
toad@charm.net and toad@genie.geis.com
I just checked the old web site address I had for them, they're now at
<http://www.toadcomputers.com/>
Read the All About Toad page, and you'll see how they evolved past the
(alas, poor Yorick) Atari on its passing. But I bet they still have
people who can answer your questions, with a nostalgic tear in their eye.
Peace, Cathy Flick cathyf@earlham.edu
P.S. The Atari can also emulate a mac....
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 1 Oct 98 09:59:36 -0500
>
>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:45:02 -0700
>From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
>Subject: Tidbit - Mac ODBC Post Explained
>
>This tidbit is from:
>
>JASON KULAS, <JKULAS@bcbsct.com>
>
>What is ODBC?
>
>Regarding the 9/17 post on Mac ODBC...ODBC (Open DataBase Connectivity)
>is a cross-platform "standard" Microsoft rolled-out some years back. The
>idea was to make it easier for various productivity apps (anything from a
>db-type package to a spreadsheet) to talk to various types of data
>storage formats, and to make it easier for developers to write apps that
>talk to whatever type of data engine was appropriate for the job at hand
>(i.e.--keep using your fave development environment/language, use any
>data engine you needed, ODBC could make the connection work for you).
>Instead of your spreadsheet needing code for how to deal w/ xbase formats
>vs Oracle vs MS Access vs...or the developer having to find an API
>package in his chosen language that implements access to a particular
>data format...now everyone could just work to ODBC and let ODBC handle
>the particular flavor of data engine being used. ODBC has successfully
>driven out some products designed to mediate between an app and a
>"foreign" db format, but, despite the fact that ODBC can be very slow in
>some situations vs "native" db connectivity, it has enabled a variety of
>products to talk to any of a variety of db formats with some "ease",
>though initially configuring & installing ODBC drivers can sometimes be a
>problem.
>
>At its simplest level, the way it works is that the app (say a
>spreadsheet) knows how to utilize data from a database by "talking" in
>the language of ODBC...it makes ODBC API calls. Then depending upon what
>type of database it needs to talk to an ODBC driver must be present that
>can translate from generic ODBC requests to the specific steps required
>to do the action on the particular data format being used. By supporting
>ODBC, rather than say just Oracle, the spreadsheet app now can work with
>any data engine that can work with ODBC.
>
>What does the Augsoft product do?
>
>What the product mentioned <http://www.augsoft.com/router/> does is give
>you a "client" app that can run on your Mac alongside your main app (a
>productivity app like Office or something you've custom coded). The main
>app can make ODBC calls to work with data in a database. The client will
>transmit those calls up to a server program on an NT server. That server
>program has ODBC drivers that let it talk to whatever db necessary, then
>return the result back to the Mac.
>
>Why is it good for Mac users?
>
>The value of this product is that it can let ANY ODBC-aware Mac apps
>(such as Hypercard, Office, FileMaker, Code Warrior, Visual Cafe,
>PowerObjects, MacPERL, 4D, MPW, OMNIS 7, Tcl/Tk, etc) talk to ANY
>ODBC-aware data engines that aren't available on the Mac platform and not
>supported by any other Mac-based ODBC solution (like MS Access, which is
>fairly popular, despite being a so-so product). Also, being server based,
>as ODBC drivers change (& you can end up needing an unwieldy number of
>them), instead of having to update lots of individual computers that
>drivers installed on them you can update just the server & lower your
>maintenance costs.
>
>So if you're required to work with some db standard you don't have to
>ditch your Mac if you can use the ODBC route to get your work done.
>
>Disclaimer: I don't work for Augsoft, I don't think highly of ODBC, & I
>love my Mac (which lives at home)
posted to the Win-Mac coop list by:
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:03:32 -0400
> Is there a way to set a default display font for received messages in Mac
> Outlook for Exchange? Most of the mail I get arrives as 9 point Arial
> which
> is pretty much unreadable at my monitor resolution (and age :-)).
>
You can indeed change the default font in Outlook to something more readable
on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your email messages to PC users
would have fonts that look abnormally large.
The real problem is Microsoft's Arial font for the Mac. The hinting is
terrible, and boldface or italic versions are completely unreadable.
What I did to address this problem was to take a more readable screen font
and rename it Arial. I used Geneva. Geneva is very readable at small sizes,
and in bold/italic. I duplicated Geneva, and opened the duplicate font
suitcase in ResEdit and changed all the naming conventions so that the
system now thinks Geneva is Arial. I then tossed Microsoft's Arial in the
Trash.
The upshot is that I get a readable font for display, and PC users still see
Arial in messages from me.
If you like, I can email you my customized font so that you can try it
yourself.
Jim Royal
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Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:03:20 -0400
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:46:35 -0400
At 08:59 AM 9/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>[The exception was to a Canon Color Laser 550 with an EFi RIP
>>with a 40 MB hard drive, where I set up a P90 NT spooler.]
>How come? Fiery RIPs work beautifully with Macs, they even come with
>Appletalk turned on by default.
>
>What Fiery was it? An i series?
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
>
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:30:05 -0500
This is true, the security is lacking. It is fairly easy to get around.
My friend's 3 year old has even found a way to get past At Ease.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:43:33 -0500
Hmmm, whatever. I don't think anyone is making anything up. You may be
looking at different programs, though.
Fact: When I use Excel or Word, the letters, etc. on the screen are
somewhat larger in Windows than Mac. I need to put ALL files at 75% zoom
in Windows to make the screen usable. Otherwise, I get about 20% less
data (columns or rows) on my screen compared to the Mac. This is in all
versions of Word and Excel at least dating back to 16bit versions.
I don't know how the dpi numbers would reflect this, not my area of
expertise. However, some things in Windows (desktop area) do look smaller
than a comparable feature on the Mac. I do not know what to attribute
these differences to. I believe it stems from the wide open nature of
Windows based computers. While this 'anything goes' attitude has allowed
cloning success, low prices and almost total market domination, it has
also led to many non-standard programs. Oh, well. I am surprised that
Microsoft programs do not seem to follow any standards themselves, sounds
like an internal quality control issue.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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James Rupprecht (jimrupp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:44:14 -0500
I don't think this will solve the poster's original problem...that he needs
to have the macs authenticate before printing. When you capture a printer
with NTAS, the Mac clients simply see a print spool instead of (or in
addition to, depending on how you are set up) the physical device. If
memory serves, there is no way to make the a Mac authenticate before
printing. I believe this is due to how apple printer spooling works. Here
is a snip of an article from the NTRK, (pulled off Technet):
"Although native Macintosh networking provides support for file security,
it does not provide support for print device security. The AppleTalk
protocol contains no mechanism that supports client user name or password.
Macintosh clients, therefore, cannot identify themselves on the network,
and the Windows NT print server cannot impose user-level security on
Macintosh clients. If a Macintosh client is physically able to send a job
to a print device or print server, that client implicitly has permission to
do so.
You can, however, enforce one set of printer permissions on all Macintosh
users as a group. The Macintosh client must start the MacPrint service by
logging on using a user account. By default, it logs on as the System
account. The System account has Print permission on all local print
devices, so any Macintosh client can send a job to any of the Windows NT
computer’s local printers. To limit the permissions for Macintosh clients,
create a new user account, giving it the printer permissions you want the
group to have. Then set the Macintosh client MacPrint service to log on
using this account."
Hope this helps...
James Rupprecht
Systems Specialist
Applied English Center
University of Kansas
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John Nurick (j.nurick@dial.pipex.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:08:00 +0100
Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
than sending nice simple plain text!
John
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John Nurick (j.nurick@dial.pipex.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:08:00 +0100
Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
than sending nice simple plain text!
John
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:18:40 -0400
> Jim Royal wrote
>
> > You can indeed change the default font in Outlook
> > to something more readable
> > on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your
> > email messages to PC users
> > would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>
> Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
> than sending nice simple plain text!
>
Actually, you have no choice but to send formatted text in Outlook. When
Internet email is sent the Exchange server strips the formatting for you.
Otherwise, everyone on the LAN sends/receives formatted email by default.
Jim Royal
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Tim (tim@buzz.dope.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:17:30 -0400
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Royal <jimr@Eicon.com>
To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Default reading font in Outlook?
>John Nurick wrote:
>
>
>> Jim Royal wrote
>>
>> > You can indeed change the default font in Outlook
>> > to something more readable
>> > on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your
>> > email messages to PC users
>> > would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>>
>> Only if you insist on formatting your e-mails rather
>> than sending nice simple plain text!
>>
>Actually, you have no choice but to send formatted text in Outlook. When
>Internet email is sent the Exchange server strips the formatting for you.
>Otherwise, everyone on the LAN sends/receives formatted email by default.
>
>Jim Royal
>Technical Publications
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>
>
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:26:16 -0400
> umm, actually no, look at tools/options/mail format and select plain text
> for outgoing mail format.
>
I don't have that option. I'm using Outlook 8.01.
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:17:30 -0700
There are three ST emulators shown at that site. (presuming you want an
ST emulator...the Rainbow emulator that Cathy Flick mentioned is an 800
emulator, there are several of those, too.) Links to allof them and the
ROM images necessary to use them are there.
Since the fastest Atari ST ever made used a 68030 (IIRC), I'd suspect
that a new G3 running one in emulation might be faster than the
original.
david wrote:
>
> Sorry to cross post this slightly off topic question but i'm hoping
> somebody in the list will be able to help.
>
> I mostly work on a Mac but tonight I've just had a Atari experience! the
> kit we're looking at is called space=sound. I suspect that this
> software is not available on any other platform at the moment. Can Atari
> software run on a Mac in emulation? If so, i have no experience of Atari
> machines how fast are they what sort of Mac would do the job reasonably
> well?
> This would allow me to develop projects in my home work space, prior to
> making a significant investment in hardware some way down the line.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> david dobedoe
> david@dobedoe.demon.co.uk
>
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0400
I know that in AppleShare Admin, there's a menu entry that allows you to
copy (import) volumes from one location to another which also copies group
and user information for every folder and file, thus retain the original
file and folder privileges. If you were to copy the volumes *in the Finder
at the workstation where AS is running*, you won't have any AppleShare
privileges associated with the files and folders. Let me tell you from
experience that rebuilding these are not fun. :-(
I don't use AtEase, so I'm not sure how that fits into the equation. The
above may not even apply, so be warned. Doesn't Apple have an AtEase FAQ?
Also, no, I don't think the NT server needs to get involved in the
changeover.
FWIW, you can always experiment with a small data sample to iron out
procedural bugs before tackling the whole enchilada.
Doug
Proposal Technical Support
Presentations and Communication
Lockheed Martin
> ----------
> From: ProfSci@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:05 PM
> Subject: trashing a mac server and adding to another on our NT
> network
>
> Hi,
>
> We have a server that we need to disable. [SNIP] Its a 5260/100 with
> appleshare 3.0 on it. [SNIP] I need to move all the users, documents,
> etc... from that "server" to our 7250/120 which is managing our high
> school. [SNIP]
>
> The 7250 server is running appleshare 4.2.1. What I need to do is take all
> our At Ease (we have at ease 5.0, ANAT 3.0) user lists and user groups and
> transfer them from the 5260 to the 7250. [SNIP] I also need to transfer
> the "documents" folder as this contains the Jr. High users saved work.
> [SNIP]
>
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Marlan (marlan@sasquatch.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 98 15:27:38 -0800
I taught at a school 3 years ago that had it. It was frustrating to the
9th & 10th graders because they didn't have a real 'desktop' to work
with, but it was fairly secure in a lab setting and highly customizable.
I think I could get around it by booting from a CD or from a zip, but
neither were a problem.
Marlan
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:51:35 -0700
I don't have the latest version, but if you don't want someone to
access something from an added pull-down menu on the menu bar (in my
version at least), you need to make sure not to have that menu added.
That can involve the Extension Manager and restarting, not the most
convenient way to go. I don't know if that is still the case in the
latest version. On the plus side, though, I've added a seven disk CD
changer to the computer with a pull down menu to select the disk --
and my five-year-old operates that just fine.
In fact I'll never forget the day (she was three) she walked into the
study, slid up the top to the roll-top desk, powered-on the Mac,
clicked GO in At Ease (we set her up to enter her area without a
password), and started on one of her favorite apps. It was that easy
for her -- though my access to the finder was password protected, so
she wasn't able to get to it.
I use both Mac and PC at work, and should warn anybody who thinks
logging on with username and password in Win95 offers similar
protection -- you're wrong. Just hit the escape key, and you'll
continue right to the desktop (go figure...). I'm not using Win98, so
I don't know if that's been corrected.
Also, At Ease is used by most schools that have Macs that I've seen.
Great little (though slightly imperfect) security app.
DAVID
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>Subject: Re: At ease
>From: Alex Dearden <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:43:17 -0400
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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>Hello, anyone have any experiences with At Ease??? Good or Bad.
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:57:31 -0700
I know some of our designers have had problems with Desktop Printing,
but I've never been able to replicate them on my PB3400/200 or (before
that) Duo 280c. I like it. Couldn't make LaserWriter 8.5 work with our
Fiery very well -- but no problems with Adobe's PSPrinter extension
and desktop printing. Works like a champ!
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David McKnight (dmcknight@fleetwood.com)
Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:08:13 -0700
While I wouldn't put it past MS to change the way preferences are
handled in Outlook vs. Outlook Express -- at least in OE, you have the
option to have messages composed as plain text OR formatted in HTML.
The server does *not* strip the formatting when sending over the
internet (ours is Exchange Server 5.0). But sending it that way to
someone who does not have a MIME compliant e-mail client may be a
problem.
DAVID
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
> I use both Mac and PC at work, and should warn anybody who thinks
> logging on with username and password in Win95 offers similar
> protection -- you're wrong. Just hit the escape key, and you'll
> continue right to the desktop (go figure...). I'm not using Win98, so
> I don't know if that's been corrected.
>
> Also, At Ease is used by most schools that have Macs that I've seen.
> Great little (though slightly imperfect) security app.
The much-ridiculed "Microsoft Bob" software let you do similar
things under Windows 95. If only it wasn't so "cute." Sadly, it got
killed off quick.
But i helped somebody set this up on their Gateway 2000 system at
home, and it was great. Kids had their "clubhouse" with all the
appropriate apps, and it kept them out of the folks' "office" with
things like Quicken and so on.
Maybe Windows 98 incorporated some of the "Bob" stuff? i dunno.
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Ryan Sabir (Ryan@gomango.com.au)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:40:08 +1000
The only program that will use ftp at all is Netscape and IE, and thats
only for downloads, I can't get Netscape to upload, or Fetch, Anarchie,
or any other ftp protocol.
I thought I'd be able to do this using the SOCKS proxy option in all
these programs but that doesn't work either.
Whats the story with SOCKS anyway? Is it an accepted standard?
TIA for any advice.....
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Brian Forte (bforte@adelaide.on.net)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:46:29 +0930
>A coworker of mine recently got his area hooked up to ethernet. It is
>important for him and me to transfer files about 50mb in size to each
>other so I figured it would be easiest and cheapest if I setup a ftp
>server on my computer (IBM-compatable, his has a Mac). When he logged on
>he was able to download files from me however he was unable to upload them
>to my computer. I figured this was possibly a problem because he is in a
>higher security location and there was a firewall and other items up (that
>is the extent to my network knowledge!).
I hate to ask the obvious, but have you set your FTP server to allow a
known user to write to a directory on your HD? If he's trying to login
using the standard 'anonymous/email address as password' your FTP
server's default settings (which should allow for read-only access for
anonymous FTP users) would prevent him from writing any file to your
machine.
>He is fairly new to computers and thus I doubt he could setup a ftp server
>on his computer. Does anybody know a way that he can get around whatever
>is blocking him to upload the files to my computer?
Even given his 'fairly new' status, it might be worth pointing him
towards Peter Lewis's NetPresenz, a US$10.00 shareware FTP, HTTP and
Gopher server for the Mac OS.
It's small, elegant and very easy to set-up. If your co-worker has ever
used the Mac OS's built-in personal file-sharing to allow someone to
share a folder on his machine then he can setup NetPresenz, since it uses
the same interface (and tools).
You'll find all of Peter's tools at <http://www.stairways.com/> and
NetPresenz in particular at <http://www.stairways.com/netpresenz/>.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Brian Forte.
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:47:58 -0400
Yes, unfortunately it looks like my only solution may be to get him involved
in a FTP server for his computer. Thanks for the suggestions, if anybody
has any others, they would be appreciated as well.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Brian Forte
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:16 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP Uploading
>
>
> David,
>
> I hate to ask the obvious, but have you set your FTP server
> to allow a
> known user to write to a directory on your HD? If he's trying
> to login
> using the standard 'anonymous/email address as password' your FTP
> server's default settings (which should allow for read-only
> access for
> anonymous FTP users) would prevent him from writing any file to your
> machine.
>
> Even given his 'fairly new' status, it might be worth pointing him
> towards Peter Lewis's NetPresenz, a US$10.00 shareware FTP, HTTP and
> Gopher server for the Mac OS.
>
> It's small, elegant and very easy to set-up. If your
> co-worker has ever
> used the Mac OS's built-in personal file-sharing to allow someone to
> share a folder on his machine then he can setup NetPresenz,
> since it uses
> the same interface (and tools).
>
> You'll find all of Peter's tools at <http://www.stairways.com/> and
> NetPresenz in particular at <http://www.stairways.com/netpresenz/>.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Forte.
>
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CElhardt@aol.com
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:06:47 EDT
We wanted the Win95 drivers to an HP scanner, which drivers are available
from the HP web site. None of the machines at work have modems and the
intranet, or our piece of it, won't access the internet. Thus, I easily
downloaded the drivers and upgraded software from their website from home
on my powerBook 5300 (no, it has never caught fire). Although they
appear to be .exe files, they're actually self-extracting archives.
I figured I could use zipIt to split one of the 3Mb+ files into a couple
segments and then transfer the segments onto pc-formatted floppies. A
couple of the smaller files that fit onto one floppy unpacked perfectly
on the pc but I couldn't get the split files to reassemble correctly,
either with zipIt or with stuffIt.
I wound up going back home with a pc-formatted zipdisk and copied the
entire set onto the zip. Should work fine, but I'll know for sure
tomorrow. By the way, the mac version of HP Scanjet fits on 800K while
the Win95 version takes up 9 floppies in 4 self extracting files. Even
then, you've got to know if your target platform is microchannel, ISA,
EISA, or something called NEC-PC ; but only one, small, recently updated
(July97) version for all Macs.
The question: is there a utility that could split a large .exe file into
segments on a mac for transfer to pc-formatted floppies?
chris.
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how dogs spend their lives.
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:43:35 -0400
> While I wouldn't put it past MS to change the way preferences are
> handled in Outlook vs. Outlook Express -- at least in OE, you have the
> option to have messages composed as plain text OR formatted in HTML.
> The server does *not* strip the formatting when sending over the
> internet (ours is Exchange Server 5.0). But sending it that way to
> someone who does not have a MIME compliant e-mail client may be a
> problem.
>
Actually, our server does strip the formatting. Or it seems to. For
example, the above quoted text (with the > symbol) appears to me as I type
this message to be merely indented, in a different colour than the rest of
the text. Someone receiving this message on our LAN would see it this way.
However, when I send this message through our Internet gateway, the indent
is replaced by the > symbol, and the colour attribute is stripped out. This
happens only when I send Internet mail. This has to be the Exchange server
doing it, no?
Jim Royal
Technical Publications
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
02 Oct 98 09:42:18 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Marlan wrote:
>>Hello, anyone have any experiences with At Ease??? Good or Bad.
>
>I taught at a school 3 years ago that had it. It was frustrating to the >9th & 10th graders because they didn't have a real 'desktop' to work >with, but it was fairly secure in a lab setting and highly customizable. >I think I could get around it by booting from a CD or from a zip, but >neither were a problem.
>
>Marlan
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:44:11 -0700
As a suggestion for the PC-Side FTP server, try WAR-FTP, available via
www.tucows.com It works real well for me, and is freeware. I use it to
get a cheap simulation of networking on our (appletalk-less) NT network,
since I can see my network drives via my desktop that way.
There are several other servers at that site. In fact I can safely state
that tucows is the BEST site for finding internet-related tools of all
sorts for Macs, Win or NT.
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Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:07:53 -0700
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:06:04 -0400
Typically a networked or networkable printer has its own software for
printing directly to it w/o involving a server. For Hewlett-Packard, it's
the HP JetDirect Port which is a component of the JetAdmin software freely
available from their web site. Looking in my NT printer port options there
is also AppleTalk Printing Devices (only works w/ NT Server), Digital
Network Port, Lexmark DLC Network Port and Lexmark TCP/IP Network Port. I
would imagine Epson has it's own software for their networked printers.
Also, there are lpr (which comes from the UNIX world) clients available. If
the printer supports the use of lpr (I don't recall what is necessary),
they should work. QVT/NET is a shareware package of network clients &
servers and it includes an lpr client. I know almost nothing about lpr but
it seems to be very different from a printer driver. Instead you send a
file to the printer directly to the printer using the lpr program, not from
within the normal Windows print dialog in any given application. This
QVT/lpr has Text or Binary transfer options so I'd guess that it's only
good for printing plaintext or sending postscript files to postscript
printers.
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:12:37 -0700
Ron LaPedis
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Global Development Systems & Engineering
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Royal [SMTP:jimr@Eicon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 07:04
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: RE: [WinMac] Default reading font in Outlook?
>
> Jerry Smith wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to set a default display font for received messages in
> Mac
> > Outlook for Exchange? Most of the mail I get arrives as 9 point Arial
> > which
> > is pretty much unreadable at my monitor resolution (and age :-)).
> >
> You can indeed change the default font in Outlook to something more
> readable
> on the Mac (such as Arial 12 pt), but then your email messages to PC users
> would have fonts that look abnormally large.
>
> The real problem is Microsoft's Arial font for the Mac. The hinting is
> terrible, and boldface or italic versions are completely unreadable.
>
> What I did to address this problem was to take a more readable screen font
> and rename it Arial. I used Geneva. Geneva is very readable at small
> sizes,
> and in bold/italic. I duplicated Geneva, and opened the duplicate font
> suitcase in ResEdit and changed all the naming conventions so that the
> system now thinks Geneva is Arial. I then tossed Microsoft's Arial in the
> Trash.
>
> The upshot is that I get a readable font for display, and PC users still
> see
> Arial in messages from me.
>
> If you like, I can email you my customized font so that you can try it
> yourself.
>
> Jim Royal
> Technical Publications
> "Understanding is a three-edged sword"
>
>
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
Leonard
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Designated Free Electron (612) 766-4718 (Minn)
Adobe Systems Incorporated (215) 233-5270 (Philly)
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Fri, 2 Oct 98 18:14:33 -0500
Is this person using Fetch? That app is the best I've seen on Mac
platform. It may be as simple as what your server is looking for as a
username and password. It may be configured to accept only the word
"anonymous" as a username and an email address as a password. You will
have to ask your IS people.
I upload using Fetch from behind a firewall all the time. I think the
block is on your ftp server.
Good luck
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Danny Thomas (D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:28:15 +1000
One caveat: if you want to use a PPD-based printer driver such as Adobe's
(or I believe that in Win98/NT5), lpr printing doesn't provide a
communication channel back from the printer. That means the driver can't
query the printer about how much RAM it has, what fonts, or importantly
what optional paper trays it has installed. You can either manually
configure these for the printer, or edit the PPD file to change the
defaults to match your printer. We do that for our printers even under
MacOS, because the PPDs from Lexmark & Tektronix do not have queries in the
PPD. Not to mention the Apple PPDs don't gracefully handle US Letter/A4
mismatches without some gentle prodding.
cheers,
Danny Thomas
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:41:00 -0400
If they look smaller, you might have "small fonts" selected. It seems to
look bigger to the rest of the world (including me)
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:51:31 -0400
Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a modem)? Or
do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:54:05 -0400
On Nt you do it by setting up an LPR port. So it really does it directly!
On 95 you have to use 3rd party software like WLPR Spooler (Shareware $15
or $30) and it's not as good as NT but seems to do the trick. There are
other third party packages but that one's real popular.
Alex Dearden
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:56:14 -0400
Although this is sort of true on Unix, it doesn't work that way on NT or
95. You just USE an LPR port but still print the same way as before,
using drivers and printing from within your applications.
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:08:12 -0500
Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
in one's web browser.
In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter on
the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML, none of
the graphics appeared!
--Marc
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Belinda J. Wagner
> Ph.D.
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 7:15 PM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>
>
>
> >Does anybody know a way
> >that he can get around whatever is blocking him to upload
> the files to my
> >computer?
>
> Is this person using Fetch? That app is the best I've seen on Mac
> platform. It may be as simple as what your server is looking for as a
> username and password. It may be configured to accept only the word
> "anonymous" as a username and an email address as a password.
> You will
> have to ask your IS people.
>
> I upload using Fetch from behind a firewall all the time. I think the
> block is on your ftp server.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
> Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
> Department of Plastic Surgery
> Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email:
> bwagner@wfubmc.edu
> Medical Center Blvd.
> Winston-Salem, NC 27157
>
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ProfSci@aol.com
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:27:32 EDT
<<>we use at-ease, the "network administration" part of the package is GREAT,
>the
>desktop security portion is extremely finicky and troublesome
How so? I am more interested in local security!!!>>
At ease provides an evironment for the user where they are given a folder with
program icons that the user clicks on to launch the programs that they are
authorized to access. These icons are to be simplistic "unstable" that is,
they are easily curropted and then diable the user from being able to access
desired programs. I don't know why this happens, but even Apple (the mfr of
AtEase) has commented to me on the finicky nature of atease.
Al Sills
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Bruce Johnson (johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU)
Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:16:17 -0700
Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and colors.
> In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
> use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
> postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter on
> the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML, none of
> the graphics appeared!
>
EPS is the best for transferring graphics cross platform for apps that support
EPS. Web browsers do not, which is why they all disappeared. You need to use
GIF or JPEG images for the web.
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Tony Green (tony.green@worldnet.att.net)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:12:10 -0400
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Michael Ritchie (mritchie@asu.edu)
Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:16:22 -0700 (MST)
Michael Ritchie
Graduate Student
Information Tech/Mng.
Arizona State University
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Tony Green wrote:
> We have a small network of Macs and PCs with an NT4 SP3 server with two
> laser printers (HP 4MV and Tektronix Phaser 380) all connected via
> Ethernet. There are print queues set up on the server so that the Mac users
> see a blue spool next to the printer name in the Chooser, and background
> printing is turned off. Everything works fine, except that after a job has
> finished spooling, the Macs can't receive any error messages from the
> printers (out of paper, jam, etc). Is there a better way to implement
> spooling or some way for the printers to communicate with the Macs? Thanks
> in advance for any advice!
>
> Tony Green
>
>
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:24:26 -0500
Why didn't PowerPoint convert the images to gif or jpeg?
>Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
>the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and
>colors.
Do you have any suggestions for good font sizes?
--Marc
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Daly Jessup (jessup@san.rr.com)
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:23:35 -0700
> Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
> PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
> individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
> in one's web browser.
I agree that PowerPoint's html feature is lame to the point of uselessness.
After trying
making GIFs of every page of a PowerPoint presentation (taking screen shots
then
translating the resulting Pict file into GIF with GraphicConverter) then
putting the GIFs on
custom-made linked html pages (talk about lame! - and I came up with that
procedure
"all by myself"!) - I have concluded that the quickest and most effective
way to get a PowerPoint presentation on the web is to print it to a
postscript file, then turn it into a PDF with Acrobat Pro. Beautiful
results. After making the PDF file, you can open it it Acrobat Exchange and
make thumbnails for navigation through the presenation, and add notes if
you wish, to individual pages.
I learned this on this list, by the way, and am really happy with my
newfound power over PowerPoint.
I was referred to this page, in case you are interested:
http://www.performancegraphics.com/
Daly
<mailto:jessup@san.rr.com>
Daly Jessup
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Danny Thomas (D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au)
Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:27:27 +1000
>In addition, someone noted a while ago the best graphics format to
>use for the best cross-platform image quality. Was it encapsulated
>postscript? I converted all images to that format using GraphicConverter
>on the Mac, but when I converted my PowerPoint presentation to HTML,
>none of the graphics appeared!
well I think EPS is the best choice for cross platform/application usage,
eg it is much better than the PICT format when cutting/pasting between Mac
applications with some provisos
1) EPS is in general non-editable
2) you only get to see a preview on-screen. The preview is so you
can apply resizing/cropping operations, but the preview is
optional. The real quality of EPS only shows up when you
*print* to a PostScript printer.
EPS is not much use for web-pages, jpeg or tiff are better. Those formats
only handle images, but if your material includes vector graphics (eg lines
with arrows) or text, you might to save as a jpeg at higher resolution than
a monitor screen and go into photoshop or whatever and reduce the dpi. That
has the effect of blurring sharp edges, but better preserves detail and
positioning to a sub-pixel level.
Danny Thomas
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
05 Oct 98 08:44:39 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Alex Dearden wrote:
>>The other half of ANAT is called Network Assistant. This little tool is a >>great time saver. It allows remote control, remote administration, remote >>software install, screen sharing and many other features. We use this >>not only in our labs but also in our offices, especially on machines in >>other buildings that are hard to get to, on kiosks, even on "trouble" >>users' macs that are just down the hall.
>
>Does it allow administration over the internet (or at least a modem)? Or >do I have to use Apple Remote Access for that?
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
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USA (RFleming@usa.ibs.org)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:53:36 -0600
Ron Fleming
International Bible Society
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Subject: WinMac Digest #96 - 10/03/98
<< Message: >> WinMac Digest #96 - Saturday, October
3, 1998
re TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Danny Thomas" <D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au>
Re: At ease
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Font Display Differences
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: ANAT
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: TCP printing from NT or Windows box?
by "Alex Dearden" <pata@tampabay.rr.com>
PowerPoint98 --> Web
by "Marc Bizer" <mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu>
RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
by "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
Re: [WinMac] Re: At ease
by <ProfSci@aol.com>
Re: [WinMac] PowerPoint98 --> Web
by "Bruce Johnson"
<johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
Getting printer status messages
by "Tony Green" <tony.green@worldnet.att.net>
Re: [WinMac] Getting printer status messages
by "Michael Ritchie" <mritchie@asu.edu>
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Blake Lange (Blange@fec.gov)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:28:27 +0000
>Marc Bizer wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Has anyone had much success with the "Save as HTML" feature in
>> PowerPoint 97 for Windows or PP 98 for the Mac? It appears to save
>> individual slides as entire graphics, which means that text looks terrible
>> in one's web browser.
>
>Yeah, that's the way PP does it which is _absolutely_ useless. But with care
>the text need not look terrible...experiment with different font sizes and
>colors.
I have used this feature PowerPoint--Saving as HTML--and was puzzled by
how terribly it rendered the pages in a browser. Upon looking at the
parts of the final HTML code and graphic files I found that the graphics
were being scaled by the HTML code. By doing things this way the
conversion process takes place rather quickly because the graphics
manipulation work is not being done then. Instead it is to be done later
by the browser. This is not quite cheating on the part of the code
writers at Microsoft but it does cut corners that shouldn't be cut IMHO.
The disadvantages are that the graphics are larger than they need to be
(causing download times to be too long) and they look bad because web
browsers are not very good at scaling graphics. The good thing about the
process is that it creates a good starting point: it creates all of the
ingredients needed for a pretty nifty portable slide show. If it is a
slide show one plans to use a lot it is probably worth ones while to edit
down the graphics and edit the HTML accordingly, both of which should be
pretty easy to do.
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Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:52:17 -0700
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>To: "The Windows-MacOS cooperation list" <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
>Subject: WinMac Digest #96 - 10/03/98
>Date: Sat, Oct 3, 1998, 5:00 PM
>
>At ease provides an evironment for the user where they are given a folder
>with
>program icons that the user clicks on to launch the programs that they are
>authorized to access. These icons are to be simplistic "unstable" that is,
>they are easily curropted and then diable the user from being able to access
>desired programs. I don't know why this happens, but even Apple (the mfr of
>AtEase) has commented to me on the finicky nature of atease.
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Mike Alexander (mta@umich.edu)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:52:58 -0400
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daziz (daziz@sowega.net)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:02:03 -0400
on both the Macs and the PCs. If server based, the server should run on
NT. Also nice to have would be:
remote desktop control, hardware inventory ability (ie, it can remotely
tell you the processor, system version, network card, etc)
Anyone have any suggestions?
Debbie A. Aziz
daziz@sowega.net or LibbieC@aol.com
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david (david@dobedoe.demon.co.uk)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:30:16 +0100
I have found that to get drawings and illustrations from Mac's to
Powerpoint on the PC the following set up works quite well.
Scan in in photoshop on the Mac.
Sort image
save as photoshop file
open with grapic converter
save as WMF file
then put onto the PC.
It took us a few hours to work this through, we can't do the artwork on
a PC don't have the hardware or software and the client need the work
bullet proof on a PC
Hope this is useful to somebody;-)
david dobedoe
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:21:00 -0400
> I have found that to get drawings and illustrations from Mac's to
> Powerpoint on the PC the following set up works quite well.
> Scan in in photoshop on the Mac.
> Sort image
> save as photoshop file
> open with grapic converter
> save as WMF file
> then put onto the PC.
>
>
It seems to me that you have an unnecessary step, there. Why convert to WMF
in Graphic Converter if you are saving only bitmapped graphics? Surely,
saving directly to BMP in Photoshop would accomplish exactly the same thing
and save you a step. You could even automate it with Photoshop Actions.
Jim Royal
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:44:31 -0400
A true WMF is a vector file format though as you've discovered you can put
raster images in there. I'd think a better solution would be to save the
scanned image as a TIF, BMP, JPG and then take that right into PPT on the
PC without having to go through an extra step.
But, another question I have is why does PPT not respect the size of the
image file being imported? Many times when I import a TIF or JPG that's
been sized to say 4"x6" at 300dpi in Photoshop the image once imported into
PPT is much larger and I have to shrink it down to get it back to the 4"x6"
size.
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:10:23 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Compaq
Computers.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: daziz [SMTP:daziz@sowega.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 11:02
> To: WinMac
> Subject: [WinMac] Desktop Management programs
>
> We have a mixed network of about 300 Macs and 100 PCs. We are moving
> towards all PCs. We need to get a program that will remotely do:
> software auditing
> Software installs
> software uninstalls
>
> on both the Macs and the PCs. If server based, the server should run on
> NT. Also nice to have would be:
> remote desktop control, hardware inventory ability (ie, it can remotely
> tell you the processor, system version, network card, etc)
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Debbie A. Aziz
> daziz@sowega.net or LibbieC@aol.com
>
>
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Nick Scalise (nicks@radiks.net)
Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:53:24 -0500
Yes! There is an app out on the 'net that will let Win95/98 boxes lpr. It is
called "ACITS lpr" an is available at:
<http://shadowland.hf.utexas.edu/www/acitslpr.htm>
Works pretty well, but Danny Thomas is right about not using extra trays,
and such. Danny is also right about NT having LPR native. You just need to
install Microsoft TCP/IP Printing Services.
Good Luck!
Nick Scalise
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:36:10 -0400
Thanks
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:01:12 -0400
If you use the correct PPD for that particular printer you shouldn't have
to edit it, all those choices should be there.
Alex Dearden
pata@doglover.com
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Marcus Sundgren (marcus.sundgren@utv.mh.se)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:07:23 +0200
>Thanks to all those who wrote about At Ease. Seems it's not what I need.
>What I want to do is find some software that will provide local security
>for an Appleshare server (kinda like an NT server). Anyone have any
>experiences with such software???
Maybe somethingh like MacPrefect, MacAdmin or FolderBolt would do the
trick for you. That is software that can lock specified folders or
control panels so that only a person with an unlock-diskette can gain
access to them.
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
06 Oct 98 08:17:37 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Alex Dearden wrote:
>Thanks to all those who wrote about At Ease. Seems it's not what I need. >What I want to do is find some software that will provide local security >for an Appleshare server (kinda like an NT server). Anyone have any >experiences with such software???
>
>Thanks
>
>Alex Dearden
>pata@doglover.com
>
>
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Barry Lockard (barry@bgs.com)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:49:53 -0400
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jhrsn (jhrsn@pop.pitt.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:12:01 -0400
There are several salient points here:
1. As indicated above, choosing the pixel size and screen coverage (e.g.,
full screen, half screen) in the Powerpoint HTML export wizard has no
effect on the pixel size of the saved image. It merely changes the size
and width attributes of the image tag in the HTML document that calls the
saved images (thus scaling occurs in the browser after the image is
downloaded). The size of the saved images is dependent on the settings in
the page setup dialog--in most cases this means that if a presentation is
created on a large screen monitor and saved as HTML, the resulting image
files will actually be quite large and will be scaled down substantially
for display. IMHO this is an incredible kludge and an indefensible waste
of bandwidth. I don't believe this approach was chosen to make HTML
export faster--rather the intent appears to be to get the product out the
door as fast as possible with the minimum effort necessary to allow a
feature to be displayed in the product's feature chart.
2. The type of scaling required for PP presentations is handled much
better by Internet Explorer than Navigator, at least with respect to
text. Thus presentations exported from PP and displayed unedited in a
browser will typically look much better in Internet Explorer than
Navigator (what a surprise).
I'd urge anyone involved in creating PP presentations for HTML to verify
these issues themselves by reviewing the exported PP images with a
standard bitmapped image viewer such as GraphicConverter or Debabelizer.
These also have batch conversion capabilities that will allow a set of
saved PP images to be scaled as a group to actual display size. Remember
to check or edit the size/width attributes in the corresponding image
tags so that they are correct. Results with this approach are sometimes
acceptable, though text may not be ideal.
Perhaps a better solution is to set a custom document size in the PP page
setup dialog that matches the intended display size. That way the
exported images will be the intended size and text will look good if the
images are displayed at that size. However, I don't know of an easy way
to match the export size choices in the HTML export wizard to the actual
size of the slide--PP will still set the size/width attributes to one of
the limited choices available (which might result in either a scale up or
scale down). I suppose you could set a custom document size that matched,
for example, 800x600 at half screen. However, you will probably still
need to go through the html documents separately and edit or eliminate
the size/width attributes for the main images. BBedit can be very helpful
for this with its grep search and replace across multiple documents.
It is possible to get a nice-looking, compact HTML presentation out of
PP--but it takes a lot more effort than it should.
Jim Harrison
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Univ. of Pittsburgh Health System School of Medicine
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Robert A. Soper (soper@spdc.ti.com)
Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:48:25 -0500
HTH
Robert
soper@ti.com
>Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>From: "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Well I have been getting lots of suggestions on my FTP situation. To
>refresh, a coworker behind a firewall is having trouble uploading, actually
>he can't. He is using a Mac and Fetch and I am using an IBM with War FTPD
>serving it up. He has his own account and upload/download capabilities in
>the folder he is trying to use. He is able to download ok, but it gives him
>an error when he tries to upload. So far, the best and easiest solution for
>him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his computer so that to get
>files we both download instead of somebody uploading. Thanks so far, if any
>other ideas come up, let me know!
>
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David Linsey (linseyda@pilot.msu.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:11:52 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu
> [mailto:winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Robert A. Soper
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:48 AM
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
>
>
>
> One more thing to try on the Mac ftp client is to see if you can
> upload files in "passive" mode. This should work better with
> firewalls and uncooperative servers. In Fetch, passive mode is
> enabled on the Firewall tab in the Preferences dialog.
>
> HTH
>
> Robert
> soper@ti.com
>
>
> >Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: FTP and Mac
> >From: "David Linsey" <linseyda@pilot.msu.edu>
> >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0400
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Well I have been getting lots of suggestions on my FTP situation. To
> >refresh, a coworker behind a firewall is having trouble
> uploading, actually
> >he can't. He is using a Mac and Fetch and I am using an IBM
> with War FTPD
> >serving it up. He has his own account and upload/download
> capabilities in
> >the folder he is trying to use. He is able to download ok,
> but it gives him
> >an error when he tries to upload. So far, the best and
> easiest solution for
> >him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his
> computer so that to get
> >files we both download instead of somebody uploading.
> Thanks so far, if any
> >other ideas come up, let me know!
> >
>
>
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:27:48 -0500
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
- Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20 messages daily
- Centralized address book
OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
- Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
Exchange
- Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail LAN/Internet Mail Gateway
package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments on what you are
doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Alex Dearden (pata@tampabay.rr.com)
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:02:44 -0400
Alex Dearden
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Nishimura, Scott (Scott.Nishimura@trw.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:27:18 -0700
Wow, someone else who uses QuickMail! We were in the same
position a year ago: we looked at Netscape, Exchange, Groupwise,
and Notes. Exchange was chosen, although it isn't a very good
cross-platform choice: the native Mac client doesn't have
identical functionality and OWA (Outlook Web Access)
has problems of its
own in the email field so we decided to go with OWA for
calendar and Netscape IMAP for mail on the Mac side.
Netscape is a fairly good client but requires more instruction
and hand-holding than we initially thought.
If everyone had a PC, Outlook would be a good choice.
(maybe not the best, but usable). But,
IMHO, it leaves a lot to be desired from a cross-platform
point of view.
(these comments are based on testing I did in June; since
then, MS has released service pack 1 for Exchange server
which may alter some or all of the above, especially the
comments about native Mac client and OWA functionality.)
Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan C. Banks [mailto:ebanks@pcci.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 8:28 AM
> Subject: E-Mail System Research
>
>
> I am researching a new e-mail system for our mixed Macintosh
> and Windows
> user base.
>
> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
> - Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20
> messages daily
> - Centralized address book
>
> OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
> - Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
> Exchange
> - Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
>
> We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail
> LAN/Internet Mail Gateway
> package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments
> on what you are
> doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
>
> ________________________________________________
> Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
> Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
>
>
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Phillip Corchary (corchary@apple.com)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:45:14 -0600
open-standards email system. This means one that not only supports but is
actually at it's core an SMTP mail router with either POP or IMAP4 as client
protocols. To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
Before I started my current job, I worked on a number of email projects, all
using proprietary mail systems, and supporting from 1000 to 60,000 clients
(Mac and PC). And I found that while there are special features, such as
those you mention, like forms, calendaring, etc. in many of the proprietary
systems, the trade off is that you are tied to one vendor and their support
and product paths (or lack there of). Also, you generally have to employ
additional gateways to exchange email with other systems (Internet, other
internal systems you may have, etc.)
OTOH, SMTP mail system (IMO) are the only mail system that can easily scale
from small systems (a few dozen users) to very large scale systems
(thousands, tens of thousands or more). And since SMTP is what all Internet
mail is based on, you will have fewer problems exchanging email with those
outside of your environment. Plus if you implement an open standards system
you can choose from a variety of client software on all platforms.
There are many ways to run an SMTP/POP/IMAP system. An UNIX (including
Linux) on either PowerPC or Intel hardware would work well for which there
are many flavors of email software, both public domain and commercial. Most
of the proprietary systems like Exchange support Internet standard mail, but
it's not a core function - it's an add-on and either costs additional money,
or introduces additional complexity and latency into mail delivery.
Of course I would be remiss if I didn't briefly mention that Apple
Computer's AppleShare IP 6 server is an SMTP mail server that supports POP
and IMAP client protocols.
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Apple
Computer, Inc.
Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
What¹s twice as bright and twice as sharp as a regular monitor? The Apple
Studio Display! With a viewable area equivalent to a 17" monitor displaying
up to 1024x768 it¹s only 4" thick and 12 lbs.! Visit
<http://www.apple.com/displays/studio/> for details.
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:52:39 -0500
When our users compose an e-mail message, they want to pick recipients from
a list, as opposed to the typical "query for the one you want & then add
them to your local address book scheme" that seems prevalent at this time.
If you are aware of an standards-based address book that works via LDAP (or
possibly ACAP?) that allows the user to remain uninvolved in the cognitive
process, I would indeed like to explore that avenue.
I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
> To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 98 14:18:58 -0500
>So far, the best and easiest solution for
>him looks like he needs to setup a FTP server on his computer so that to get
>files we both download instead of somebody uploading. Thanks so far, if any
>other ideas come up, let me know!
You know, there is another alternative. Geocities has a Virtual Office
service that is great for people who need to upload/download documents
to/from each other -- it's CHEAP $49.99 first YEAR and $19.95 after that.
Netscape offers a similar service, but it's more expensive. Might solve
your cross-platform and firewall difficulties easier and cheaper than
setting up a server.
Folders can be made public or private -- password-protected. Seems like
enough security from what you describe.
Cheers!
Belinda J. Wagner, Ph.D. voice: (336) 716-2992
Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
Department of Plastic Surgery
Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Ethan C. Banks (ebanks@pcci.edu)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:35:58 -0500
One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure place
on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
TIA...
________________________________________________
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Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
> You know, there is another alternative. Geocities has a Virtual Office
> service that is great for people who need to upload/download documents
> to/from each other -- it's CHEAP $49.99 first YEAR and $19.95 after that.
> Netscape offers a similar service, but it's more expensive. Might solve
> your cross-platform and firewall difficulties easier and cheaper than
> setting up a server.
>
> Folders can be made public or private -- password-protected. Seems like
> enough security from what you describe.
Geocities and Netscape both use the same software: Virtual Office.
There's also an iMac Virtual Office, as well as an Earthlink Virtual
Office. Not sure on all the pricing differences, although it says
the iMac site is available free to the first 100,000 iMac owners
that sign up. How do they check to see if you have an iMac? i
dunno. >:}
Anyways, it's from the folks at Netopia (formerly Farallon). [Full
disclosure: My brother works for the Virtual Office division of
Netopia.] The link is www.netopia.com, but more specifically, take a
look at: http://www.netopia.com/software/nvo/
Good to see that they finally have a Mac version. (Six months ago,
they didn't. i think you could still upload, but you didn't have
access to the fancier conferencing and chatting options.)
Oh, another company that has a similar product (but it's PC only) is
www.visto.com. [More full disclosure: i play ultimate frisbee with
one of the engineers at this company.]
Anyways, interesting stuff, and you can try 'em all out for free. :}
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Jim Royal (jimr@Eicon.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:58 -0400
> One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
> the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
> pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure
> place
> on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
>
>
The latest Mac client for Exchange Server can be found at:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/exchange/exchange-public/fixes/Eng/Exchg5.5/S
p1/Mac/
This is Outlook 8.01. Not bad. Not great. Does not have the same feature
set as the Windows version.
Personally, I think this is one of the things Microsoft should fix
immediately, if they are serious about continuing to improve their Mac
software. Maybe we can convince Steve to give Bill one of his famous phone
calls...?
Jim Royal
Technical Publications
"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
> Netopia Virtual Office Plug-ins and ActiveX controls only work with
> browsers running under Windows 95 or Windows NT 4.0. All other
> browsers will still be able to visit the Virtual Office, but won't be
> able to use the Conference Room, or be able to send files to the
> office owner using In Basket or Out Basket.
>
> Other platforms are currently being developed.
Now, i just signed up an iMac Virtual Office (www.mynvo.com), and they
allowed me to download a Macintosh version of the client software...
On the other hand, the actual site: http://www.mynvo.com/notyou/
doesn't have a page to upload files to, as there is in my Geocities
page: http://www.netopia.geocities.com/notyoutoo/
Now... will this work with the Geocities V.O.? Who knows? But it's
probably worth playing with. (i don't have a Mac here at work so i
can't test it.)
And oh, i looked into pricing:
iMac: FREE to the first 100,000 that sign up.
Netscape: $199.50/year
Earthlink: $29.95/year
Geocities: $49.95/first year, $19.95/year thereafter
Netscape, Earthlink, and Geocities all claim that they only work with
95/NT 4.0.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:49:30 -0400
I would side with the author that suggested an Internet standards based
POP3 & SMTP server. Microsoft Exchange Server, with it's complicated
database functions, can be a REAL bear when something goes wrong. And, the
Help System & documentation is quite poor when compared to NT/Server 4.0.
How do I know this? I was working on a haywire Exchange server until 4AM
this morning at a customer's site! :(
At 01:35 PM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've received many valuable commentaries on people's experiences with
>cross-platform mail systems. Keep them coming if you care to comment
>further.
>
>One issue I have run into is the evaluation of Microsoft Exchange. I need
>the latest Macintosh Outlook client for Exchange, and can't find it. Any
>pointers on where I can download this, or is it buried in some obscure place
>on the Exchange 5.5 CD?
>
>TIA...
>
>________________________________________________
>Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
>Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
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Cline Design (cline@olympus.net)
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:36:24 -0700
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Prof. Dr. Wolfram F. Neiss (neiss.anatomie@uni-koeln.de)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:58:19 +0200
Dear David,
the German software company Application Systems Heidelberg (ASH, in
Atari business since 1987) offers a professional ATARI emulator _both_
for Mac and PC: Magic Mac 6.0.1 and Magic PC 6.0 (demo for download at
http://ash.sww.net).
These programs provide the same user surface as an ATARI running Magic
6.0, which is a stable and fast preemptive multitasking OS for all 68k
Ataris. Hence any Atari program that has been correctly written
according to TOS instructions and does not use direct "illegal" access
to specific hardware features of the computer, will run under Magic on
all 3 platforms identically.
I have used MagicMac now for 3 years in parallel to Atari TT and ST
computers. It works stable and really _very_ fast on a Mac PPC 7500 with
604e/166CPU and is reported even faster on G3 Macs.
Magic Mac 6.0.1 is compatible with MacOS 8.1 (own experience) and with
HFS-Plus (not yet tested myself). E.g. the text processing software
Signum 4.4 (also made by ASH), which typesets latin, greek, kyrillic,
hebreic, arabic (from right to left), hungul (from Thailand) and
possibly some more languages, runs subjectively judged about 3-4 times
faster on my Mac´s screen display than Word98.
Using Magic for Atari, Magic Mac or Magic PC, installation of NVDI 5
(distributed by ASH) is strongly recommended. NVDI is a kind of
TOS-plugin that dramatically accelerates graphic output on screen and in
print.
Good success!
Wolfram
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Jeremy (lists-for-dmi@clear.net.nz)
Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:16:50 +1200
I have Outlook Express 4.0.1 on the Macintosh and wish to use my VeriSign
Digital Signature. The Verisign website has instructions for using
digital
signatures with Outlook Express 4.0 and above on Windows, but the options
and Tools menus on the Mac do not offer the same choices.
Has anyone got experience with using Verisign on OE4 for the Mac?
Thanks
Jeremy
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Landis Arnold (landisa@ibm.net)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 05:59:38 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan C. Banks [SMTP:ebanks@pcci.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:53 AM
To: 'The Windows-MacOS cooperation list'
Subject: RE: [WinMac] Re: E-Mail System Research
Phillip, my concern with using LDAP as a directory is that we haven't found
a client/server combination that creates an address book automagically for
the user. There are several applications that offer a slick interface to
LDAP, but I haven't run across anything that uses LDAP in the background to
keep a more or less "centralized" address book that the user doesn't have
to
worry about.
When our users compose an e-mail message, they want to pick recipients from
a list, as opposed to the typical "query for the one you want & then add
them to your local address book scheme" that seems prevalent at this time.
If you are aware of an standards-based address book that works via LDAP (or
possibly ACAP?) that allows the user to remain uninvolved in the cognitive
process, I would indeed like to explore that avenue.
I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
________________________________________________
Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
> To get a central directory, you can implement an LDAP directory.
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Landis Arnold (landisa@ibm.net)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:29:06 -0600
Landis Arnold
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Sent: Monday, October 05, 1998 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WinMac] cross platform graphics
But, another question I have is why does PPT not respect the size of the
image file being imported? Many times when I import a TIF or JPG that's
been sized to say 4"x6" at 300dpi in Photoshop the image once imported into
PPT is much larger and I have to shrink it down to get it back to the 4"x6"
size.
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Jeroen Camstra (jeroenc@BIGFOOT.COM)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:58:45 +0200
How can I get an overview of the user & group rights (I don't know if this
is the right English term, I only know the Dutch one) for all the folders
on my Appleshare server version 4.02? I can ofcourse look at all the
folders one by one and write it down, but that would be to much work.
I'm asking this because the files from this server need to be transferred
to another server, in another folder structure with other user & group
names (so just simple copying is not possible). But all the users (with
their new username) must still be able to access their files after the
transfer.
With regards,
Jeroen Camstra
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:01:37 -0400
From: Landis Arnold <landisa@ibm.net>
>Re the sizing issue, I don't have PPT, but none the less it seems that
>Power Point is assuming that the file is set for Screen Presentation and is
>therefore making it scal to 72 DPI. In my understanding the relative
>"size" in inches, and the "size" in DPI, are pretty much relative... and
>that the real measurement of most pictures are the "pixels" themselves. If
>a file is 36 DPI and measures 2" x 2" on a screen, my guess is that PP
>would scale it up to 72 DPI and drop it down to about 1 x 1"... Most Web
>Graphics and "Screen Graphics" in general do not need to have more dpi than
>72 if built right.. We usually use more DPI because of printing needs where
>fundamental resolution rather than display speed are important.
>My thoughts about it anyway.
That's probably what's it's doing as I'm using putting in higher rez photos
to go to slides and thus am always having to scale the image down within
PPT but the resolution is there so the slides look good. Most "real"
graphics programs (like Freehand or PageMaker for example) don't mess with
the file that's imported but respect whatever size you have it at.
And your guess it probably right in that PPT is working with the idea of an
on-screen presentation where 72dpi is the norm. Still, it shouldn't do
that!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:07 -0400
>After making the PDF file, you can open it it Acrobat Exchange and
>make thumbnails for navigation through the presenation, and add notes if
>you wish, to individual pages.
>
There's also a free plug-in from Adobe called Acrobat Presenter
that turns Acrobat Exchange into a "slide show" program for your PDF
file(s). This is what I use when I do presentations at trade shows, etc.
Leonard
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:29:30 -0400
Leonard
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Cyndi L. Jacobs (cjacobs@sewanee.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:38:32 -0500
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 98 23:43:57 +1000
Any normal program is going to display a pixel per pixel... especially
screen presentation programs... well...
If you were to scale the image back again 4.16 times.. or to 24% then you
should get the 300dpi image at 72dpi... and it should print out at a nice
quality...
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Al Hartman (alhartman@mci2000.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:01:22 -0400
I work for CompUSA here in Phila, PA.
Yesterday a customer came into the store looking for an Ethernet Card for
her Performa 6400.
Unfortunately we didn't stock any Mac specific cards. Does anyone on this
list know if any of the PC-Based PCI Internet cards would work?
We carry:
Intel
3Com
SMC
Linksys
Netopia
IBM
Any help would be appreciated. Also, any recommendations on a Mac-Specific
Card would be helpful as well.
Regards,
Al Hartman
http://members.aol.com/ahartmanjr
This page will save your life...
http://www.wayimmune.org/index.html
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 00:08:44 +1000
I had probelms with D-link and can't recommend them...
Check the card vendors web sites to see if they have drivers for macs
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Craig Rash (cRash@pcci.edu)
08 Oct 98 09:20:51 -0500
Craig Rash <cRash@pcci.edu>
Tech Support Coordinator
Pensacola Christian College <http://www.pcci.edu>
Mr Stux wrote:
>>Any help would be appreciated. Also, any recommendations on a Mac-Specific
>>Card would be helpful as well.
>I have found the MacSense cards to be great...
>
>I had probelms with D-link and can't recommend them...
>
>Check the card vendors web sites to see if they have drivers for macs
>
>
>--
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> CYA STUX =`B^) \ The Land Down Under /
> 'da Captain & Last *-fytr
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> would be doing that instead of being a reporter)" - D.K.Every, MacKiDo
>
>
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:40:23 -0400
>From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@Adobe.COM>
>Or just print direct through PDFWriter, depending on your needs.
>There's also a free plug-in from Adobe called Acrobat Presenter
>that turns Acrobat Exchange into a "slide show" program for your PDF
>file(s). This is what I use when I do presentations at trade shows, etc.
Leonard,
I've been using the old Distiller 2.1 for a couple of years and just a few
weeks ago bought the whole Acrobat package (3.0) that also has the
PDFWriter. The PDFWriter is quicker to use since it makes the PDF file
right then and there in one easy step where the Distiller requires me to
make a PostScript file first which is what I'm used to doing.
I even once exported a Freehand file to EPS and then Distilled that and it
seemed to work fine. The time before that I printed the Freehand file to a
PostScript file and that worked too.
My question then is when do I know which route to use to get to PDF? Most
of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF. Some of our
designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
easier and quicker for them.
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:50:10 -0400
PDFWriter is a Quickdraw/GDI-based printer driver, meaning that
your graphics are limited to the features and capabilities of the OS. So
if your output doesn't need all the bells/whistles of Postscript, then use
PDFWriter.
However, if you want the BEST output possible in your PDF files,
your best best is to print to Postscript and then have run that through
Distiller (either manually or automatically with Laserwriter 8.x - if
you're on a Mac).
>Most
>of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
>Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF.
>
Which is fine, because that way you'll get the best looking output
from PM since it can take advantage of the PS output. One other advantage
of using PM's "Export to PDF" feature, rather than direct printing, is that
PM will add in "extras" to the PDF file such as live Hyperlinks and other
annotations.
>Some of our
>designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
>their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
>easier and quicker for them.
>
I would say that for most proofs, you'd probably be fine with
PDFWriter. (but don't forget you still need to buy one copy per
workstation)
Leonard
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Ari Davidow (ari@ivritype.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:51:40 -0400
I haven't used PDFWriter in a while, but my experience on both
Mac and Windows, was that it do a very poor job of handlng graphics.
I would not use it in any case that included anything other than text.
But, even though I =thought= I tested this again with version 3.0,
I can't swear that I did, so if someone knows to th contrary, they're
probably right.
ari
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 01:06:19 +1000
Sure they're big but by gollly... it beats saving as text! or source...
I think in MacOS 8.5 Sherlock can also index PDF files... is this true?
or is it just being silly and indexing a whole pile of PS commands?
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:10:54 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
own and do not, in any way, represent the opinion or policy of Compaq
Computers.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ari Davidow [SMTP:ari@ivritype.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 07:52
> To: The Windows-MacOS cooperation list
> Subject: Re: [WinMac] PDFWriter vs. Distiller
>
> >My question then is when do I know which route to use to get to PDF?
> Most
> >of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been using the
> >Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF. Some of our
> >designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they can email
> >their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter might be
> >easier and quicker for them.
>
> I haven't used PDFWriter in a while, but my experience on both
> Mac and Windows, was that it do a very poor job of handlng graphics.
> I would not use it in any case that included anything other than text.
>
> But, even though I =thought= I tested this again with version 3.0,
> I can't swear that I did, so if someone knows to th contrary, they're
> probably right.
>
> ari
>
> Ari Davidow
> ari@ivritype.com
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Parker, Douglas (douglas.parker@lmco.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:11:24 -0400
I have hundreds of Mac SW titles that I want to transfer to WIN95 or WINNT
wherever possible. Some companies will allow cross-platform swaps at an
upgrade price. Some (e.g. Quark) definitely won't allow cross-platform swaps
as upgrades, and I'm forced to purchase new licenses for the Win systems.
I still have to contact my primary SW source, Adobe, directly.
How have your cross-platform software upgrades gone?
I've set my Reply To: address to reply to the group and myself.
DP
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Thomas Roth (tomroth@wfubmc.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:14:54 -0400
>From: Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr@Adobe.COM>
>Ah, an easy question ;).
>
>PDFWriter is a Quickdraw/GDI-based printer driver, meaning that your
>graphics are limited to the features and capabilities of the OS. So
>if your output doesn't need all the bells/whistles of Postscript, then
>use PDFWriter.
>
>However, if you want the BEST output possible in your PDF files,
>your best best is to print to Postscript and then have run that through
>Distiller (either manually or automatically with Laserwriter 8.x - if
>you're on a Mac).
Since most of the PageMaker files have EPS graphics imported into them
sounds like I'd better stick with Distiller.
>>Most of the time I'm converting PageMaker files and so I've been
>>using the Export to PDF function and then Distilling to get the PDF.
>
>Which is fine, because that way you'll get the best looking output
>from PM since it can take advantage of the PS output. One other advantage
>of using PM's "Export to PDF" feature, rather than direct printing, is that
>PM will add in "extras" to the PDF file such as live Hyperlinks and other
>annotations.
I noticed that you can override Distiller's default settings so I figured
it must be adding extra information to the PS file.
I'm going to be attending GraphExpo in Chicago at the end of this month and
will be taking a couple of PDF seminars when I'm there. Maybe after that
I'll understand it all better.
>>Some of our designers want to be able to make PDFs of their work so they
>>can email their clients an electronic proof and it seems the PDFWriter
>>might be easier and quicker for them.
>
>I would say that for most proofs, you'd probably be fine with
>PDFWriter.
But since most of the PageMaker files they'll be working on will have EPS
graphics imported into them sounds like they'd better go with Distiller.
>(but don't forget you still need to buy one copy per workstation)
Oh I'm sure that an Adobe product on a Mac platform wouldn't let me run
more then one serial number without letting me know that! :) Besides, we
have a computer store right here on campus and so we can get the
educational pricing on most software.
Thanks!
______________________________________________________________________
Tom Roth Wake Forest University School of Medicine
tomroth@wfubmc.edu Dept of Biomedical Communications
Tel 336.716.4493 Medical Center Blvd
Fax 336.716.2808 Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1011
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Chris Morin (eemmbb@mixcom.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:21:31 -0500
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Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@Adobe.COM)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:45:36 -0400
As I mentioned before, since PDFWriter is a QD/GDI driver, all
bitmapped graphics will end up getting converted to native format
(PICT/WMF) by the application in order to send them to the driver AND THEN
PDFWriter needs to convert them BACK to something it can digest (JPEG, I
think).
In the case of vector graphics, they should come out pretty well
since PDFWriter converts to the QD/GDI command to the equivalent PS command
- but you do lose PS resolution.
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Darryl Lee (lee@darryl.com)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
i believe that the Santorini Server Manager gives you access to this
information. It used to come "free" with some book on managing
AppleShare servers. There's more info at:
http://www.santorinicd.com/
Hrm. Too bad that nobody has hacked MacPerl to give it access to the
Users/Groups info. (The NT version has this, so you can build your
own tools.)
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:39:19 -0400
As long the text in the PDF is actually text not a graphical representation
of text (like a page scanned w/o OCR), you can already search the contents
of a PDF in the Mac's Find File by holding down the option key before
clicking the menu for search criteria (hold down Option adds 'contents'
'visibility' and a couple others). A contents search will check the
contents of every data fork for text to compare to the keywords you typed
in. Sherlock's indexing will just make the use of a contents search much
faster.
Windows users can do the same thing with files including PDFs by going to
the 'Advanced' tab in the Find window and typing in whatever in the
"Containing text:" field.
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:02:23 -0400
Netscape Communicator's Messenger Mailbox may be capable of doing this. In
the Directory section of preferences is says "When searching directories,
search for items using these directories in the following order:" then it
lists the Personal Address Book then all the public directory sites
(Four11, Bigfoot, etc.) If you added your ldap to the list and put it at
the top, perhaps it could work much like the Personal Address Book does. I
don't have an LDAP server to try it with (it sure won't work with the big
public ones).
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:56:19 -0400
Wow, First Class, I hadn't thought about that. I'm attending distance
learning classes which use First Class as the main communication tool. You
couldn't ask for anything better in an addressing system. However it has a
few drawbacks. Here are some humble opinions:
Proprietary
The whole thing is proprietary so you're pretty much stuck using either the
First Class client on each computer (with some exceptions like BulkRate) or
a command line interface ::shudder::. Its mail system is proprietary so
you're dealing with a gateway for all the mail. It usually works well but
it can be a source of problems, particularly sending attachments to the
internet. The address book is proprietary so you cann't use a different
client for that or synch it with other directory systems (like LDAP).
Live connections/supportable load
You can use First Class in a go online, upload mail, download mail, go
offline way but that's not really compatible with the "live addressbook"
you conceive of. That means up to 500 simultaneous connections to the First
Class server for extended periods of time. I'm not sure it can handle that
kind of load and I don't know that it can be clustered. If they measure
loads in kilobytes (of server RAM) per user online it's probably doable if
they measure it in megabytes, that's trouble.
Reliability
It's just not as stable as many SMTP/POP or IMAP options but if you don't
require 24/7 uptime, that may not be an issue. Some people complain about
the stability of this or that product but if you have from 6pm 'til 6am the
next day to work on it, as far as the user is concerned the system may
never be down.
On the plus side:
The Mac & Win software are very very similar.
You can do forms and all kinds of nice looking messaging internally (fonts,
colors, etc.).
The interface has some quirks but in general it's very natural for a GUI user.
It was/is a BBS so you can set up conference areas with message threading
for different groups, file downloading areas, and live text chatting (which
can really be a productive tool).
Actually there may be a way around using the First Class client software. I
heard there's a web interface in beta which would be really strange but
potentially useful especially if it doesn't require plugins or Java.
Again because if its BBS roots, for off-campus use you can set it up with a
modem pool and have people dial in directly to the server or use it over
TCP/IP through a PPP connection (naturally you'd use TCP/IP on campus).
Like IMAP everything is kept on the server side (primarily) so people can
log in from any computer and use all their own stuff.
I wouldn't be surprise if SoftArc has a calendaring component but I haven't
seen it.
You only pay by the number of simultaneous connections so if the go
online/go offline method works it could be pretty economical.
I think I'm in the SMTP/IMAP/LDAP camp. If you've got the expertise you can
piece it together on a UNIX system or buy it put together by Netscape.
Netscape has it's problems but so much of what they do follows (or even
leads) internet standards that it's much easier to go to someone else for
pieces or the whole thing if you switch later. Start planning now for how
you'll go from this system to the next one.
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Kyle Johnson (kyle.johnson@duke.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:32:06 -0400
Chris,
There are two routes you can go. If you enable AFP services on the Netware
box then you can access the Netware server just like any other Mac server
through the chooser. However, you can't get authenticaed to the tree this
way.
If you want to have "more full" access to the Netware services, you'll want
to install Netware for Macintosh, which allows you to authenticate to the
tree and access printers, file servers, etc just as if you were a PC client
(ie there is no configuration necessary of the server). For info on the
IntraNetware client for MacOS, go to:
<http://www.novell.com/intranetware/products/clients/clientmac/index.html>
Here's the hitch though. I don't know if the current Netware for Mac
client will work with Netware5. Novell has sourced their mac client
development to Prosoft, and I don't think they have released a Netware5
client. The press release about this agreement (which inlucdes a link to
the prosoft site) is at:
<http://www.novell.com/press/archive/1998/07/pr98080.html>
Kyle
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:55:54 +1000
These days its come along way but still has many of the original
problems! But they mean more today :)
>Proprietary
BIG PROBLEM. Altho you can now get access to alot of nifty things using
the FCIS API it still is totally non standard... altho this has its good
points, because the standard is a lowest common denominator.
>
>Live connections/supportable load
Hmmmm....
You can cluster it... it supports a gateway mechanism... directory
sharing etc... you can have live links between servers with near instant
replication, you'ld be talking propogation delays of a couple of seconds
MAX
BUT FCIS can be expensive... well it used to be alot cheaper when they
had hobbiest licensing :(, don't see many FC BBi these days :(
>
>Reliability
>It's just not as stable as many SMTP/POP or IMAP options but if you don't
>require 24/7 uptime, that may not be an issue. Some people complain about
>the stability of this or that product but if you have from 6pm 'til 6am the
>next day to work on it, as far as the user is concerned the system may
>never be down.
I've been on FCs which have been up for years. FCIS can be very stable.
The trick is to have a server which is totally dedicated... If you split
your network into separate servers for each division you don't need the
latest powermac to handle and extremely large load... Its very impressive
in that regard
>
>On the plus side:
>The Mac & Win software are very very similar.
Latest ability is FCIS RAD (Rapid Application Development) think Visual
Basic for FCIS...
>You can do forms and all kinds of nice looking messaging internally (fonts,
>colors, etc.).
>The interface has some quirks but in general it's very natural for a GUI
>user.
>It was/is a BBS so you can set up conference areas with message threading
>for different groups, file downloading areas, and live text chatting (which
>can really be a productive tool).
>Actually there may be a way around using the First Class client software. I
>heard there's a web interface in beta which would be really strange but
>potentially useful especially if it doesn't require plugins or Java.
>Again because if its BBS roots, for off-campus use you can set it up with a
>modem pool and have people dial in directly to the server or use it over
>TCP/IP through a PPP connection (naturally you'd use TCP/IP on campus).
>Like IMAP everything is kept on the server side (primarily) so people can
>log in from any computer and use all their own stuff.
>I wouldn't be surprise if SoftArc has a calendaring component but I haven't
>seen it.
>You only pay by the number of simultaneous connections so if the go
>online/go offline method works it could be pretty economical.
Hmmmm, I think you also pay for each user that has a mailbox. Have to
look into this again, we never went beyong the FCIS Demo as it was just
tooo expensive :( (local BBS)
>
>I think I'm in the SMTP/IMAP/LDAP camp. If you've got the expertise you can
>piece it together on a UNIX system or buy it put together by Netscape.
>Netscape has it's problems but so much of what they do follows (or even
>leads) internet standards that it's much easier to go to someone else for
>pieces or the whole thing if you switch later. Start planning now for how
Like was said before... I would like to implement an LDAP system, but at
the moment I don't think its quite there yet. I'll just keep a replicated
address book for now. :)
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Phillip Corchary (corchary@apple.com)
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:36:44 -0600
Well, client implementations vary. For instance, if you use MS Outlook
Express, it works very much like the full MS Exchange/Outlook in that you
simply type the names of your intended recipients, separated by commas and
click SEND ... then the client checks those names against your default LDAP
server. If the client finds multiple names that correspond, it give you a
list to pick from.
Most of the new email systems work in some fashion like this, not like the
old MS Mail and Quickmail where you get a list of users and you pick the
ones that you want....
>I have the same concerns about proprietary solutions such as Exchange that
>you mentioned, so if you have further comments that would propel me in the
>standards-based direction, let me know. Thanks for sharing your time.
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CHoogendyk@aol.com
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 07:54:27 EDT
>Are there any LAN administrators out there who have any G3 macs on a
>NetWare 4.x or newer network? I want to put a G3 on our network (we are
>upgrading to NetWare 5.0) but just want to make sure it will work well. I
>plan to add VirualPC running NT workstation so I can run the NetWare admin.
>utilities. Any comments?
>Thanks.
>Chris Morin
That's funny. I (Chris Hoogendyk) am about to do the exact same thing. I saw
one of the replies, addressed to Chris, and I thought, "wait a minute, did I
post that? I thought I was just thinking about posting that."
My G3 is on order. I and the LAN administrator for the UMass Library in
Amherst. We have two Novell 4.10 servers, 3 DEC Alphas, 1 Sun, 1 VAX, and 2 NT
servers. The library as a whole is totally PC, and is just converting from
Windows 3.11 to Windows NT. I figured I could do a better job of administering
that mottly collection if I had a Mac.
We should stay in touch and trade war stories.
I will also be getting eXodus from White Pine to access the Unix servers
through X-Windows. I have BBEdit and all the graphics tools and will be
getting involved in our Web presence.
Chris Hoogendyk
Network Specialist
W.E.B. Du Bois Library
UMass, Amherst
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Beth Ernst (fastline@ntr.net)
Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +0100
I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
some
old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
to
Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
Quark then the 4.0!)
If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
look
please let me know. Thanks!
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Belinda J. Wagner Ph.D. (bwagner@wfubmc.edu)
Fri, 9 Oct 98 11:19:21 -0500
>Just a follow-up. i was looking at my own "evaluation" Geocities
>Netopia Virtual Office, and it looks like you need a plug-in to upload
>files to a Geocities NVO account. And yup, that plug-in is Windows
>only. >:P
Thanks Darryl, for the additional info. I looked into these sites for
Windows clients, so the Mac side functionality had not come into my radar
range, yet. Good stuff to know.
Perhaps a little Evangelista advocacy is needed here??
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Research Assistant Professor fax: (336) 716-6642
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Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine email: bwagner@wfubmc.edu
Medical Center Blvd.
Winston-Salem, NC 27157
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Sam Heldenbrand (SHeldenbrand@Eisenbrauns.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:13 -0500
sam
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> ----------
> From: Ethan C. Banks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 1998 3:27 PM
> Subject: E-Mail System Research
>
> I am researching a new e-mail system for our mixed Macintosh and
> Windows
> user base.
>
> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
> - Support 500 Mac & Windows clients retrieving/sending 20 messages
> daily
> - Centralized address book
>
> OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS:
> - Forms, such as those provided by CESoft's QuickMail or Microsoft
> Exchange
> - Groupware functionality for calendar sharing, etc.
>
> We are trying to get away from CESoft's QuickMail LAN/Internet Mail
> Gateway
> package as our needs are beyond its capabilities. Comments on what
> you are
> doing in your cross-platform environment are greatly appreciated.
>
> ________________________________________________
> Ethan C. Banks - Network Engineer
> Pensacola Christian College & Related Ministries
>
>
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Stefan Curl (scurl@shaman-update.com)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:03:27 -0700
One idea we're considering is to mount the volume on a PC
and run a PC product there.
We are currently using Dr Solomon's products (Virex and
Anti-Virus Toolkit) for our virus checking.
Please respond directly to me - I'll repost a summary - to reduce bandwidth
Thanks,
Stefan Curl
Shaman Corporation
http://www.shamancorp.com
(415) 241-9952 x120
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Cesar Morales (camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu)
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>Subject: FYI
>>>>
>>>>I just got this over my listserver. I called GTE and they say it is
>>>>true, so I thought you should know.
>>>>Some of you may have already seen this post; but I pass it on for those
>>>>who
>>>>have not received it.
>>>>
>>>>FOR YOU INFORMATION......SEE THE MESSAGE BELOW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying
>>>>>> himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on
>>>>our
>>>>>> telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch
>>>>nine
>>>>>> (9),zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, I was
>>>>suspicious
>>>>>> and refused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by pushing
>>>>
>>>>>> 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone
>>>>
>>>>>> line, which allows them to place long distance telephone calls billed
>>>>to
>>>>your
>>>>>> home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been
>>>>>> originating from many of the local jails/prisons. I have also
>>>>verified
>>>>>> this information with UCB telecomm, Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell Atlantic,
>>>>
>>>>>> GTE and NYNEX. Please beware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested
>>>>that
>>>>I
>>>>>> share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pass this on to
>>>>>> everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from
>>>>>> organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on this
>>>>
>>>>>> information to them, too.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cesar Morales
Computing Chaman
UCSD/Music
619-822-1034
cesar@ucsd.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"Sleep is for those who can't finish a project in one night"
-from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
"Bathrooms are for the weak"
-also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
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can't"
-joke of the week
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Robert F. Crean (bobcrean@sover.net)
Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:33:57 +0100
We have several Mac clients on a Windows NT 4.0 network (peer to peer). On many
occasions (about once every two days) the mac shares drop out of sight and we
need to reboot the server to bring them back. Anyone have any ideas? We are
running service pack 3 and *have* installed the hot fix to fix the jumping icons,
but this seems unrelated to that.
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William Rivet (wrivet@qouest.net)
Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:43:10 -0400
William Rivet
-----Original Message-----
From: Cesar Morales <camorales@popmail.ucsd.edu>
To: winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu <winmac@xerxes.frit.utexas.edu>
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:13 PM
Subject: [WinMac] Fwd: offtopic WARNING: FYI
>
>FYI. I don't think this is a hoax
>
>
>>>>>Subject: FYI
>>>>>
>>>>>I just got this over my listserver. I called GTE and they say it is
>>>>>true, so I thought you should know.
>>>>>Some of you may have already seen this post; but I pass it on for those
>>>>>who
>>>>>have not received it.
>>>>>
>>>>>FOR YOU INFORMATION......SEE THE MESSAGE BELOW
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying
>>>>>>> himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on
>>>>>our
>>>>>>> telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch
>>>>>nine
>>>>>>> (9),zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, I was
>>>>>suspicious
>>>>>>> and refused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by
pushing
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your
telephone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> line, which allows them to place long distance telephone calls
billed
>>>>>to
>>>>>your
>>>>>>> home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been
>>>>>>> originating from many of the local jails/prisons. I have also
>>>>>verified
>>>>>>> this information with UCB telecomm, Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell
Atlantic,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> GTE and NYNEX. Please beware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested
>>>>>that
>>>>>I
>>>>>>> share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pass this on to
>>>>>>> everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from
>>>>>>> organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on
this
>>>>>
>>>>>>> information to them, too.
>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Cesar Morales
> Computing Chaman
> UCSD/Music
> 619-822-1034
> cesar@ucsd.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> "Sleep is for those who can't finish a project in one night"
> -from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "Bathrooms are for the weak"
> -also from a UCB computer lab bulletin board
>
> "There are three kinds of people, those who can count and those who
>can't"
> -joke of the week
>
>
>
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Matti Haveri (mhaveri@walli.uwasa.fi)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:24:04 +0200
This is on a PowerMacintosh 8600/200 (160 MB RAM & 161 MB VM, 1 MB L2
cache), System 8.1, 43560 K given to VPC = 32 MB to Windows 95.
Any similar experiences?
-- Matti Haveri <mhaveri@walli.uwasa.fi> <http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:08:05 -0400
At 10:12 AM 9/30/98 -0600, Phil Corchary wrote:
>Points of comparison between AppleShare IP 6.0 and Windows NT Server 4.0
>This is an outline only.
>
>1) Easy and speed of setup, use and administration - AppleShare wins hands
>down. ASIP6 now also offers web-based admin, allowing you to admin all
>features of your server from a web browser.
False: NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through MacOS
8.1's arcane installation process.
>
>2) Cost of hardware and software - AppleShare wins easily compared to the
>top-tier PC Server vendors, and the price-performance ratio is tremendously
>in favor of the AppleShare server
False:
A G3 Mac server in an 8600 package is more like a gagway minitower. There
are no Apple equivalents to a Proliant, NetServer, or AlphaServer.
>3) Performance - AppleShare IP 6.0 is more than twice as fast as NT 4.0 in
>copying files across a 100bT network from/to Macintosh clients. If you're
>looking for speedy file transfers with Mac clients, AppleShare IP is what
>you want.
What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?!
>
>4) Flexibility - AppleShare IP 6.0 will let you use AppleTalk or TCP/IP (AFP
>over IP) with you Macintosh clients. NT uses only AppleTalk. ASIP6 will also
>act as a server to any PC's that you have by providing native SMB services
>(the AppleShare server will appear in the Windows Network Neighborhood.)
Yes, and what about Macs that are not using AppleShare Chooser Extension
3.7 or higher? If the site has Quadra's, then MacOS 8 represents a 30%
speed hit over 7.6.1...
Also, what ever happened to packet routing? Apple Internet Router 3.0.1?!
Compare this to NT's **FREE** MPR (Multi-Protocol Router) Service (in
Option Pack).
Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services
in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't
bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
>
>Your ASIP6 server can also be your web server, FTP server, DNS server, Mail
>server (POP/SMTP/IMAP4) and your Print Spooler (and if you've ever tried
>spooling Postscript through WinNT, you know how unpredictable and
>problematic it can be!). All of this is included with
>the purchase of an AppleShare G3 server.
And Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS4) is included for free in NT4/S...
>
>This means you can replace your current AppleShare 4.x server AND your NT
>server with a new, high performance Apple G3 Server with ASIP6, and get
>better performance AND easier administration for your Macs and PCs!
Since NT is Microsoft's premier product, it will have a steady, long term
lifespan.
--> And more importantly, what happens when Apple throws in the towel on
AppleShare Server, like they did with A/UX on the Workgroup Server 95's;
and AIX 4.1.4 on the Apple Network Servers? GET REAL!
Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
Apple's Business Systems Division, Greg Jewett? Your group *DID* a VERY
good job, before it was pretty much dissolved.
>
>For more information on AppleShare IP, visit
>http://www.apple.com/appleshare.
>
Steve Jobs' hype & hot air, à la iMac...
IN ADDITION, HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SADLY LACKING IN MACOS 8.1 /
APPLESHARE IP6:
1) Disk repair & recovery utilities: Until Norton Utilities 4.0 came out,
if you had a problem with HFS+, you were SCREWED. Compare this with the
built-in repair utilities for NTFS;
2) Much more flexible backup & archiving: In addition to having a built-in
tape backup utility, UltraBac is a mainframe-quality backup & disaster
recovery utility that is also available for OpenVMS;
3) Scalability (clustering with Convoy);
4) Automatic server load balancing & failover (Octopus & DoubleTake);
5) Commonality of major utilities with OpenVMS;
6) True 64 bit performance (Alpha (AXP) version only);
7) Availability on TWO architectures: DEC (Compaq) Alpha as well as intel.
And 600 mHz Alpha's are shipping **NOW**
8) Rock-solid stability: As long as you stick to the Windows NT Hardware
Compatibility List (HCL), then NT's stability will far exceed anything
Apple can produce;
9) Stability with flexibility: For example (from above), you can run
NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services in the background.
If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't bring down the whole
machine with a Cherry Bomb. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
This is also a tremendous money-saver in that in smaller shops you don't
need a dedicated machine working as a server.
>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 20:52:13 -0400
>>From: Dan Goldblatt <danielg@njbiz.com>
>>Subject: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>>MIME-version: 1.0
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>We are weekly newspaper running some 20 Macs from LCIIIs to G3 using an
>>AppleShare 4.something server and 5 Win95 machines with an NT4.0 server.
>>
>>I know I want to run a more powerful machine for my fileserver than the
>>aged Apple WGS 7250 we currently have. I'm trying to decide if I should
>>move up to AppleShare IP 6.0 on a 604 or G3 Mac or just move all my
>>fileserving to the NT server.
>>
>>Can folks help with me the points of comparison and consideration that I
>>should by thinking about or point me to some good sources?
>>
>>Thanks. Dan G.
>>
>>
>>**** **** ****
>>Dan Goldblatt
>>Health/Technology Editor
>>BUSINESS NEWS New Jersey
>
>
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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ProfSci@aol.com
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:42:16 EDT
Al Sills
In a message dated 10/11/98 10:13:19 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
<<
Here's a point-by-point rebuttal why I don't recommend AppleShare IP6; and
instead recommend NT/Server 4.0 for mixed platform shops:
At 10:12 AM 9/30/98 -0600, Phil Corchary wrote:
>Points of comparison between AppleShare IP 6.0 and Windows NT Server 4.0
>This is an outline only.
>
>1) Easy and speed of setup, use and administration - AppleShare wins hands
>down. ASIP6 now also offers web-based admin, allowing you to admin all
>features of your server from a web browser.
False: NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through MacOS
8.1's arcane installation process.
>
>2) Cost of hardware and software - AppleShare wins easily compared to the
>top-tier PC Server vendors, and the price-performance ratio is tremendously
>in favor of the AppleShare server
False:
A G3 Mac server in an 8600 package is more like a gagway minitower. There
are no Apple equivalents to a Proliant, NetServer, or AlphaServer.
>3) Performance - AppleShare IP 6.0 is more than twice as fast as NT 4.0 in
>copying files across a 100bT network from/to Macintosh clients. If you're
>looking for speedy file transfers with Mac clients, AppleShare IP is what
>you want.
What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?!
>
>4) Flexibility - AppleShare IP 6.0 will let you use AppleTalk or TCP/IP (AFP
>over IP) with you Macintosh clients. NT uses only AppleTalk. ASIP6 will also
>act as a server to any PC's that you have by providing native SMB services
>(the AppleShare server will appear in the Windows Network Neighborhood.)
Yes, and what about Macs that are not using AppleShare Chooser Extension
3.7 or higher? If the site has Quadra's, then MacOS 8 represents a 30%
speed hit over 7.6.1...
Also, what ever happened to packet routing? Apple Internet Router 3.0.1?!
Compare this to NT's **FREE** MPR (Multi-Protocol Router) Service (in
Option Pack).
Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services
in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't
bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
>
>Your ASIP6 server can also be your web server, FTP server, DNS server, Mail
>server (POP/SMTP/IMAP4) and your Print Spooler (and if you've ever tried
>spooling Postscript through WinNT, you know how unpredictable and
>problematic it can be!). All of this is included with
>the purchase of an AppleShare G3 server.
And Internet Information Server 4.0 (IIS4) is included for free in NT4/S...
>
>This means you can replace your current AppleShare 4.x server AND your NT
>server with a new, high performance Apple G3 Server with ASIP6, and get
>better performance AND easier administration for your Macs and PCs!
Since NT is Microsoft's premier product, it will have a steady, long term
lifespan.
--> And more importantly, what happens when Apple throws in the towel on
AppleShare Server, like they did with A/UX on the Workgroup Server 95's;
and AIX 4.1.4 on the Apple Network Servers? GET REAL!
Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
Apple's Business Systems Division, Greg Jewett? Your group *DID* a VERY
good job, before it was pretty much dissolved.
>
>For more information on AppleShare IP, visit
>http://www.apple.com/appleshare.
>
Steve Jobs' hype & hot air, à la iMac...
IN ADDITION, HERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SADLY LACKING IN MACOS 8.1 /
APPLESHARE IP6:
1) Disk repair & recovery utilities: Until Norton Utilities 4.0 came out,
if you had a problem with HFS+, you were SCREWED. Compare this with the
built-in repair utilities for NTFS;
2) Much more flexible backup & archiving: In addition to having a built-in
tape backup utility, UltraBac is a mainframe-quality backup & disaster
recovery utility that is also available for OpenVMS;
3) Scalability (clustering with Convoy);
4) Automatic server load balancing & failover (Octopus & DoubleTake);
5) Commonality of major utilities with OpenVMS;
6) True 64 bit performance (Alpha (AXP) version only);
7) Availability on TWO architectures: DEC (Compaq) Alpha as well as intel.
And 600 mHz Alpha's are shipping **NOW**
8) Rock-solid stability: As long as you stick to the Windows NT Hardware
Compatibility List (HCL), then NT's stability will far exceed anything
Apple can produce;
9) Stability with flexibility: For example (from above), you can run
NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server services in the background.
If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and doesn't bring down the whole
machine with a Cherry Bomb. Try running Photoshop simultaneously with ANY
version of AppleShare and watch what happens!
This is also a tremendous money-saver in that in smaller shops you don't
need a dedicated machine working as a server.
>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 20:52:13 -0400
>>From: Dan Goldblatt <danielg@njbiz.com>
>>Subject: Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT
>>MIME-version: 1.0
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>We are weekly newspaper running some 20 Macs from LCIIIs to G3 using an
>>AppleShare 4.something server and 5 Win95 machines with an NT4.0 server.
>>
>>I know I want to run a more powerful machine for my fileserver than the
>>aged Apple WGS 7250 we currently have. I'm trying to decide if I should
>>move up to AppleShare IP 6.0 on a 604 or G3 Mac or just move all my
>>fileserving to the NT server.
>>
>>Can folks help with me the points of comparison and consideration that I
>>should by thinking about or point me to some good sources?
>>
>>Thanks. Dan G.
>>
>>
>>**** **** ****
>>Dan Goldblatt
>>Health/Technology Editor
>>BUSINESS NEWS New Jersey
>
>
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com / 303-202-9883
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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Peter Gunn (pdg1@cornell.edu)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:13:41 -0400
For AT&T's word on the story, see
http://www.att.com/features/0398/90pound.html
For other commentary, see
http://korova.com/virus/hoax980212.htm
I also recommend the following site (and a little common sense)
any time you feel tempted to forward a message to anyone you know:
Peter Gunn
Ithaca, New York
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Marc Bizer (mlbizer@mail.utexas.edu)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:59:39 -0500
I continually get complaints about the length of quoted text in
messages, to wit:
>Also, even though people posting to the list
>were asked to limit the quoted text, it didn't look like they did - some
>even argued that it is necessary to include everything in order to be
>able to follow certain threads; I don't understand how some people need
>to see all the 'thread' when they've already received any previous
>messages on the topic of interest (in most cases).
Could everyone please be careful to limit the length of quotes?
Thanks,
Marc
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thomas kase (thomas@accessio.com)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:53:58 -0400
I do not appreciate the tone of some recent posts regarding comparisons
between AppleShare IP 6.0 and NTS with Mac services.
Specifically, Dan Schwartz' simplistic and rude post struck me as lacking
nuance and in general being quite unhelpful to anyone trying to assess the
pros and cons with either platform on a rational basis.
For ourselves we have a smaller network with a dozen NT boxes, a couple
of NT servers and three PowerMac graphics stations.
Because of NT's shaky Mac Service functionality I am thinking about a
G3 server and I would recommend anyone with a majority of Macs on the
network to do the same.
NT has its strengths but also a number of weaknesses that should not be
glossed over.
My G3 PowerBook should arrive in a week - wouldn't dare buy one that
runs NT. No one knows how NT5's power managment will turn out - and
when...
Just a few comments.
Thanks for the time.
Thomas Kase
GM
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:44:29 -0400
No, I don't have a distorted view of the technology, or more importantly
how *real* business' use it.
Quite to the contrary: Last year, my business was about 90% Mac and about
5% each NT/intel and NT/Alpha. This year, it's a 50-50 split between Mac
and NT; and the NT percentage is climbing month by month. [In fact, it's
climbing so fast that I'm in the process of getting my MCSE.]
Essentially, my clients businesses consist of graphics, photography,
prepress, and ad agency shops: The core of the MacOS customer base.
The last straw for many of my customers was Apple's killing off the MacOS
clones: They just got fed up and started to switch to NT.
Yes, there will always be Macs in these shops, because there are some
things that NT can't handle well (such as exotic peripherals like as
scanners and some color printers). But for the majority of uses, NT has far
surpassed the MacOS in terms of stability.
Most of my customers started by throwing out their AppleShare 4.0.2 &
4.2.2 file server software (converting the boxes to workstations) and
bringing in NT/4 server(s). And guess what? The sustained file transfer
speeds to & from Mac workstations actually INCREASED. And the management
headaches decreased.
-------------
It's ironic how, for many years, Macs were underpowered; yet the biggest
sales point was that despite the lack of speed the Mac was easier to use,
and hence more productive with a lower overall cost... i.e at the end of
the day the user got more work done on a Mac than on a DOS/Win 3.1 box.
But, with the worsening stability of the MacOS as the hardware improved,
the proverbial shoe is now on the other foot: NT, especially on a DEC
Alpha, is easier to use, more powerful, and best of all *more stable.* And,
this applies to both the server as well as the workstation versions.
Let me give you an example: Right here at home, I'm running a dual PPro
200 mHz workstation with 512 MB of RAM and NT/Server 4.0 with Services for
Macintosh, simultaneously running IP and AppleTalk stacks. I also have
three Mac workstations connected up to it for other work, such as scanning.
I can easily run Photoshop manipulating an 84 MB file while maintaining
>700 kilobyte/second sustained transfer rates to & from the Macs over my
10Base-T home LAN. All of this on one machine.
--------------
Yes, AppleShare IP 6 might be OK when running on a dedicated box. But
there is better... And it costs less. It costs less to buy the hardware &
software package for an NT/Alpha Server than an equivalent PowerPC Mac with
A/S IP6; and less to run and maintain it.
In a small shop, an NT server can simultaneously act as a workstation...
In a larger network, the server costs less, does more, and works better &
faster.
Yours truly,
Daniel L. Schwartz,
Electrical Engineer.
Dan's Macintosh Consulting
Suite 1306
1840 Frontage Road
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034-2205
609-795-8965
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At 09:50 AM 10/11/98 -0600, Phillip Corchary wrote:
>>
>> Here's a point-by-point rebuttal why I don't recommend AppleShare IP6; and
>>instead recommend NT/Server 4.0 for mixed platform shops:
>
>Dan,
>
>Thanks for your email.
>
>I was preparing an lengthy, in depth reply, however as I read farther into
>your message I realized that you basically just have an ax to grind, as well
>as distorted view of how many people actually use technology. Therefore
>there's no point in my wasting time replying to you.
>
>I wish you much success and enjoyment with the products that you choose to
>use. Good Luck.
>
>
>philc
>==================================
>Phillip Corchary, Sr. Systems Engineer
>Apple Computer, Inc., Denver CO
>corchary@apple.com
>
>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:02:45 -0400
You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
"Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
Yellow Box and Blue Box;
OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
with any form of UNIX.
Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
multitasking.
At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
>
> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>
>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>
>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>
>>>
>
>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
understand
>it.
>
>Al
>
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ZMac1@aol.com
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:26:54 EDT
Actually, Windows NT Server's support of Macintosh clients isn't
particularly fast, even with multiple, fast processors. I've seen lots of
test results, and AppleShare IP 6's AFP over AppleTalk is faster than
that of NT Services for Mac. In fact, test results presented at Seybold
SF showing that NT's AFP over AppleTalk on a dual-Pentium II server ran
slower than AppleShare IP 6 on a Mac, as well as slower than a UNIX box.
An NT consultant I talked to the other day said "NT has the slowest
AppleTalk stack on the planet."
(Robert Cowart, NT expert and enthusiast, and author of more NT books
than just about anyone, recommends not using the NT SFM print server at
all.)
Also, with NT Server, AFP over AppleTalk is your only option for Mac
clients. Just about every other server that supports Mac clients offers
AFP over IP, which is significantly faster. (TCP/IP streams; AppleTalk
does not.) This includes AppleShare IP 6, Xinet's KA-Share (Unix), Helios
EtherShare (UNIX), and several other UNIX products -- even Netatalk for
Linux and CAP for NetBSD support AFP over IP. I could list a dozen
servers that support AFP over IP.
As for the Mac client support of AFP over IP, version 3.7 or later comes
with AppleShare IP 6 and the UNIX servers, as well as with Mac OS 8.1 and
later.
I'm not saying NT is a poor server platform--it has many excellent
features. But it's support of Mac clients is not anything close to
state-of-the-art.
John Rizzo
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 98 18:04:11 +1000
Its like this.
We have a 20 mac network + 2 pcs.
We do not like PCs... :)
So... it came the time where Personal File Sharing could not hack it! The
mess was horrible.
In came a brand new G3. (got it REAL cheap)
Put the ASIP6 CD in.
Dbl Click on install.
Dbl Click on setup
we're running.
I think it took about 10 minutes.
Then I proceeded to start setting up users...
All the while I'm going GOSH this a great interface... I hope my boss
doesn't see this... He'll fire me and run it himself ;)
It worked straight out of the box.
We copied all the 20 or so Personal File Shared folders onto the
server... and started creating the great ETP hierarchy ;)
(we actually spent a bit of time thinking about this ;) )
Now when I do copies over the LAN we basically saturate it... Its fun.
And ASIP is great.
Its builtin emailserver is a bonus, and it keeps users in sync with mail
and works great. It just works.
The Print Server... I decided to play with this... unfortunately we used
an old version of ClarisDraw, which didn't like the TCP Printer Queue
interface.. :(
I have now got the ClarisDraw upgrade and am going to try again.
ASIP also came with DNS servers... its got a web server built in, ftp
server.
In short I can't think of a better solution for a Mac based business with
a couple of PCs.
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ProfSci@aol.com
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 05:49:46 EDT
Al
In a message dated 10/12/98 1:12:32 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
<<
Dear Al:
You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
"Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
Yellow Box and Blue Box;
OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
with any form of UNIX.
Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
multitasking.
At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
>
> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>
>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>
>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>
>>>
>
>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
understand
>it.
>
>Al
>
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Peter Gunn (pdg1@cornell.edu)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:14:43 -0400
Sorry folks, that should have read
"...any time you feel tempted to forward a message to EVERYone you know..."
Apologies.
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James Stahl (jstahl@stifirestop.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:09:08 -0400
Drive is 5.2 GIGS. Award Bios installed supports this size. Win 95 is
version B.
Also the boot disk provided by the manufacturer seems to set the CD ROM
as rthe Z drive. This doesn't go away after installing Win 95 from the
CD. Each time a CD is loaded, one must manually point the computer to
the D drive.
Last but not least... Reinstalled WEB & ISP software (AT&T Worldnet).
Used it for 20 minutes and it worked fine. Suddenly froze and after
re-booting, it indicates that it can't find the address and that a file
is missing. Won't run setup either.
Looking for a Win 95 expert out there!
Jim Stahl
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Christopher Giles, Systems Manager (filenes@cybercom.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:51:40 -0400
Christopher Giles, Systems Manager
Filene's Advertising Department
Beth Ernst wrote:
> I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
> company has had a software program written especially for us to work
> with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
> version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
> Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
> purchase new Quarks.
>
> I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
> being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
> additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
> some
> old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
> to
> Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
> Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
> Quark then the 4.0!)
>
> If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
> look
> please let me know. Thanks!
> --
> Beth Ernst
> Fastline Publications
> bernst@fastlinepub.com
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:28:19 -0500
>Correct me if i'm wrong, but, the "rhapsody server software"
>or the Mac OS X server software (due out soon), does include the unix kernal
>and is a totally redesigned Mac OS, not just a gradual growth from 8.1 or
>8.5.
>
>Al
>
>In a message dated 10/12/98 1:12:32 AM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>
><<
> Dear Al:
>
> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>
> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
>
> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>
> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>with any form of UNIX.
>
> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>multitasking.
Jeff T
thorstadj@macconnect.com
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:56:18 -0400
I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
please read this article:
<http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
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Mr Stux (stux@mactrix.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 98 00:31:57 +1000
Remember Rhapsody the technology is TEN years OLD!!!! and has been
running on Intel architechtue for quite a few years!
I can see how it would be feasible to release 1.0 and never update it
again! BUT their is a superb driver model kit... and these could be
updated...
Imagine that... an OS which NEVER gets updated because it just works and
works and works and works and works and works... you get my point...
But then again... it probably isn't so... But if it was... I could live
with it :)
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jeff thorstad (thorstadj@macconnect.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:56:36 -0500
Carbon essentially erases the need for all the "boxes" of Rhapsody. They
were confusing, to say the least. This is why the name changed to Mac OS
X, since it is quite a different look from a developer's angle. (That and
Rhapsody was really just a code name, bound to be changed to an actual
product name.)
Jeff T
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Tue, 13 Oct 98 01:16:41 +1000
PS MacOS 8.5 Really does make a GREAT improvement to not only OT but
QuickDraw, the entire macos experience, application launches and even RC5
;)
Anyone interested in AppleShare IP should check out that review... It
happens to basically sum up my experiences :)
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:12:22 -0400
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:11:43 -0400
Is the *real* reason for your wanting to buy more copies of QX 3.32 that
your printers don't accept QX4 files? :)
HINT: Take a closer look at PageMaker 6.52. In the days when Aldus & Quark
competed head to head, both companies tried to curry favor from Adobe,
which developed and constantly enhances PostScript.® [Remember, both QX &
PM convert what you see on the screen (such as QuickDraw) to a series of
PostScript commands.]
Things changed about 3 years ago when Adobe swallowed up Aldus: Now Quark
is on the "outside looking in." If this story seems a bit familiar, you're
right: Just as M$ has wound Internet Explorer tightly into their OS'
leaving Netscape on the outside, so has Adobe done the same thing with
PageMaker & PostScript.
Just my 2 cents worth...
At 08:51 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Christopher wrote:
>Actually, I'm in a similar situation. We've added head count and would like
>to add copies of Quark XPress 3.32, but have had no cooperation from Quark.
>If there are any leftover copies out there, I'd be interested in some, too.
>Thanks.
>
>Christopher Giles, Systems Manager
>Filene's Advertising Department
>
>Beth Ernst wrote:
>
>> I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
>> company has had a software program written especially for us to work
>> with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
>> version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
>> Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
>> purchase new Quarks.
>>
>> I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
>> being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
>> additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
>> some
>> old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
>> to
>> Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
>> Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
>> Quark then the 4.0!)
>>
>> If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
>> look
>> please let me know. Thanks!
>> --
>> Beth Ernst
>> Fastline Publications
>> bernst@fastlinepub.com
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:15:08 -0400
At 09:56 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Curtis wrote:
>At 01:02 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Dan Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Dear Al:
>>
>> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon)
UNIX;
>> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
>>Yellow Box and Blue Box;
>> OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS 8... It has nothing to do
>>with any form of UNIX.
>> Just another form of Jobs' doubletalk... OS X is still the MacOS; and more
>>importantly lacking NT's, OpenVMS,' and UNIX' protected memory and
>>multitasking.
>>At 11:10 PM 10/11/98 EDT, ProfSci@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/11/98 6:18:34 PM, expresso@snip.net writes:
>>>
>>> Rhapsody was killed off by Steve Jobs. Typical Steve Jobs: Pan off his
>>>struggling NeXT onto Apple for $400 million in December, 1996; and then
>>>kill off the product that Apple bought.
>>>
>>>The Rhapsody (Mac OS X) Server software is due out this month, as I
>>understand
>>>it.
>
>I'm not going to explain all the ways this is wrong, everyone interested
>please read this article:
><http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/august.98/Feature.4406.html>
>
>The magic word in MacOS X is 'Carbon,' the name for the cleaned up, updated
>Mac Toolbox. Unlike with Rhapsody, applications won't have to be written
>from scratch to operate, just updated to take advantage of the OS's
>improvements. If an app runs under MacOS 8, it'll run under MacOS X.
>Carbon-updated apps will run under MacOS 8 (will probably require something
>like a 'Carbon compatibility' extension for MacOS 8). Mac OS X will also
>have Rhapsody's "Yellow Box" but I don't think I could explain it well.
>
>Things Mac OS X will have: Protected Memory, Preemptive Multitasking,
>Virtual Memory (w/ no more need to increase RAM allotment from Get Info
>window), Multithreading and Multiprocessing, Mach Kernel.
>
>Rhapsody 1.0 (w/ full "blue box" Mac OS emulation) is still suppposed to be
>released this fall but that may be basically the end of it.
>--
>Curtis Wilcox cwcx@cc.rochester.edu
>Desktop Systems Consultant 716/274-1160
>Eastman School of Music Pager: x12-3290
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:08:04 -0400
Four salient points:
1) You can buy very nice 533 mHz Alpha clones from DCG for well under $2,000.
<http://www.dcginc.com>. Also, Enorex, DeskStation, Microway, Carrera, and
Aspen make nice Alpha clones...
Please click on <http://www.alphant.com> for more info on the purchasing,
care, and feeding of Alpha's running NT. You'll be glad you did!
-> Now, where did you go, Power Computing, when we need you?!
2) If you are getting BSOD's (Blue Screen of Death) in NT, they can
*usually* be quickly solved by using the "Last Known Good Configuration."
In addition, I borrowed a trick from Conflict Catcher: I create a "Minimal
Services" Hardware Profile (startup configuration), including not starting
the Networking Services;
3) Along these same lines, get a copy of Kirk Erichsen's "Optimizing
Windows NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] The recovery & repair techniques on pages
743-757 is worth the (AMAZON.COM mail order) price of $39.95 alone!
4) I somewhat agree with the assessment about NT's Mac print spooler to be
somewhat troublesome. BUT:
A) If you are printing to a raster printer, then you DO need to be a bit
more careful in the spooler setup, since you are using a LaserWriter 8
driver to send a PostScript® file to the NT spooler to be RIP'ed;
B) This is one area where the MacOS excels: If you have PostScript
printers, just print to these machines directly. You don't need to spool
through NT (in most cases), since Print Monitor DOES do a very nice job. I
always give credit when credit is due, and MacOS printing has ALWAYS been
its strong suit.
[More comments inline]
At 11:12 AM 10/12/98 -0400, Omar Chávez wrote:
>
>> NT's Express Setup is actually easier than navigating through
>> MacOS
>> 8.1's arcane installation process.
>>
>> I disagree with that. For most people APIP is a lot easier to setup
>> than NT. Any Macintosh user with Intermediate knowledge of the OS is
>> able to install APIP, whereas to install NT you need at the very least
>> a PowerUser, more likely a Network Engineer (MCSE).
Surprisingly, no. I found the learning curve/changeover from AppleShare
4.0.2 & 4.2.2, and Apple Internet Router 3.0.1 to NT/S 3.51 (as well as
NT/S 4.0) to be surprisingly easy. Yes, M$ "knocked off" most of the MacOS
GUI... But the underlying kernel is much more robust than the MacOS 8.x. If
you have a single NIC *AND* everything inside is on the HCL, then you can
just about hit "Enter" for all the defaults... Except you need to pause
during the Networking installation to add Services for Macintosh. Reboot,
then apply SP3 & SFM hotfix, and all will be fine.
>>
>> What part of 600 mHz don't you understand?
>> And you tell me that an Alpha 600 is in the same price range as an
>> AWS9600? I really doubt it. I think that the original poster was
>> referring to Workgroup Servers, not Enterprise Servers. In workgroup
>> servers with a price point of less than $6,000.00 the AWS gives you
>> more bung for the buck IMHO.
^^^^
You mean "bang"... I hope! :)
Yes; but at $2000 a 533 mHz NT Server is still a better buy.
>>
>> Lastly, you can run NT/Server as a workstation OS with the Server
>> services
>> in the background. If an app crashes, it simply gets flushed and
>> doesn't
>> bring down the whole machine. Try running Photoshop simultaneously
>> with ANY
>> version of AppleShare and watch what happens
>> I would say that any network comprised of more than 10 nodes DEMANDS a
>> dedicated server.
It depends on what the server is doing. If it is being used as a simple
file server, then about 10 connected users is about right. BUT, it all
depends on what apps the clients are using; and what software the server
local user is running.
>>
>> Also, what ever happened to the lifetime toll-free tech support from
>> Apple's Business Systems Division
>> Apple still offers a much better deal in Tech support than Microsoft.
>>
>> My current network is NT, but I am seriously considering moving to
>> ASIP6. NT is stable and fast most of the time, but when you start to
>> get a "blue screen of death" you better start verifying your bank's
>> account, since its going to cost you dearly in terms of time and
>> money.
True to a point. But if you follow the HCL's, and the KISS principle with
NT, then BSOD's just don't occur. Shutting down extraneous services helps
enhance stability quite a bit. Also, having enough RAM and tweaking the
Registry a bit also helps stability as well as speed.
Let's try to work together to solve the problems you *are* having: More
likely than not it's just a 3rd party driver problem.
>>
>> Omar Chávez
>> Technical Services Director
>> *********************************************************
>> Flite Line Equipment Corp.
>> Corporate Headquarters
>> 1100 NW 163rd Drive
>> Miami, FL 33169 * USA
>> Tel (305) 626-0004 * Fax (305) 626-0566 * OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com
>> --Los Angeles--Chicago--San Francisco--Washington DC--Honolulu--Miami-
>> *********************************************************
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LaPedis, Ron (ron.lapedis@compaq.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:33:19 -0700
Ron LaPedis
DISCLAIMER: All personal and professional opinions presented herein are my
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Jim Avgeris (jima@fscrater.com)
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:35:55 +0100
Actually just the opposite is true. MacOS X will feature BSD 4.4 UNIX on
top of a heavily customized Mach microkernel, based on the 3.0 and 4.0
releases of Mach. It will also feature preemptive multitasking, memory
protection and advanced virtual memory.
It's scheduled to be available in the Fall of next year.
Jim Avgeris
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Facilities and Services Corporation
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Ben Fullerton (Ben.Fullerton@fmk.co.uk)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:25:07 +0100
Could I respectfully request that in future we leave all our platform
preferences at the door and try to be a little bit more constructive.
Thanks,
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Paul Frankenstein (frankens@wnet.org)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:52:21 -0400
But what's going to happen to the OpenStep/NextStep APIs? If I'm a Mac
developer working on porting a program, Carbon's the greatest thing since
sliced bread (and who did invent that, anyway?) But if I'm creating a
package from scratch, I'd rather work with OpenStep/NextStep.
Is that just going to go away or will there be continued support for that?
paul
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Curtis Wilcox (cwcx@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:41:40 -0400
Are those APIs supported in Rhapsody's Yellow Box? The Yellow Box will be
in MacOS X. In the MacWorld article I cited their speculation was that
existing Mac software would be "Carbonized" but new application development
would often occur in the Yellow Box. The drawback to Yellow Box apps is
that they'll only run under MacOS X or Rhapsody so people with pre-G3 Macs
would be SOL.
<ob.X-platform comment>
BTW, Yellow Box development is continuing for PowerPC and Intel platforms
which could lead to cross-platform compatible applications.
</ob.X-platform comment>
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:04:47 -0400
[cut]
>Are those APIs supported in Rhapsody's Yellow Box? The Yellow Box will be
>in MacOS X. In the MacWorld article I cited their speculation was that
>existing Mac software would be "Carbonized" but new application development
>would often occur in the Yellow Box. The drawback to Yellow Box apps is
>that they'll only run under MacOS X or Rhapsody so people with pre-G3 Macs
>would be SOL.
[cut]
Just another way Apple screws loyal users: Discontinuing support for
millions of 60x-series machines...
Thanks, Steve...
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Omar Chávez (OmarChavez@fliteline.usa.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:58:10 -0400
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David McKnight (dmcknight@mis.fleetwood.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:06:56 -0700
DAVID
David K. McKnight
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>Subject: Need Quark 3.32
>From: Beth Ernst <fastline@ntr.net>
>Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +0100
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>I need some assistance from anyone in the Graphic Design area. Our
>company has had a software program written especially for us to work
>with Quark Xpress. The problem is the software was developed for Quark
>version 3.32r2. We have added more employees and need more versions of
>Quark, unfortunately the program does not work with 4.0 so we cannot
>purchase new Quarks.
>
>I realize the obvious solution would be to rewrite the software, that is
>being done, but in the meantime we have deadlines to meet and need some
>additional copies. What we are needing to do is find someone who has
>some
>old versions of Quark they are willing to sell. Maybe they have switched
>to
>Adobe Pagemaker and don't need Quark anymore. (Given the arrogance of
>Quark, I wouldn't be surprised. They want more for the older version of
>Quark then the 4.0!)
>
>If anyone has a copy they are willing to sell or know of anywhere to
>look
>please let me know. Thanks!
>--
>Beth Ernst
>Fastline Publications
>bernst@fastlinepub.com
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David McKnight (dmcknight@mis.fleetwood.com)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:01:48 -0700
"From Rhapsody, the OS that Apple began to develop after it purchased
Next, Mac OS X will get stability and speed improvements that simply
aren't possible with today's Mac OS...
"Don't let the name Mac OS X mislead you into thinking this is just
another operating system update. Mac OS X isn't like any version of
the Mac OS that's come before. It's a new OS -- but it provides a Mac
interface and compatibility with Mac applications. Even calling it new
is a little misleading -- at its core, it's essentially Rhapsody with
native Mac OS compatibility... features include preemptive
multitasking, protected memory, and a high-performance kernel."
Yes, it does use the Mach kernel. It is not "simply a cleaned up
extension" of OS 8.
My recommendation to people who post is to check their facts, and
provide a source for those facts (unless of course you are passing
along a personal experience). My recommendation to anyone who reads a
post is to make sure that it includes an authoritative source that you
can trust beyond he or she who posts. And remember, that personal
experiences are great, too -- but they can be based on following a
process improperly. Don't make important decisions based purely on one
or two personal experiences either.
Lists like this are great resources, but they can also easily
perpetuate inaccurate information.
DAVID
David K. McKnight
Advertising & Public Relations Manager
Fleetwood RV
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>Subject: Re: Re:Choice of AppleShare IP 6.0 vs. NT (WinMac #91)
> You are confusing "Rhapsody," NeXTStep, and OS X...
>
> NeXTStep was Steve Jobs' OS based on the Mach kernel (Carnegie Mellon) UNIX;
> "Rhapsody" was supposed to be Apple's implementation of NeXTStep, with the
> Yellow Box and Blue Box; OS X is simply a cleaned up extension of MacOS
> 8... It has nothing to do
> with any form of UNIX.
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Dan Schwartz (expresso@snip.net)
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:59 -0400
First off, thank you for the kind comments... It really made my afternoon!
I made a slight error in my original note: The book "Optimizing Windows
NT" [ISBN 0-7645-3110-7] was authored by Sean K. Daily... Kirk Erichsen
(whom I cited as the author) was a major co-author, though.
I'll reply to some of this publicly [inline for clarity]; and more will be
off the list in private correspondence.
At 12:58 PM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schwartz,
>
> Let me first say -for the record- that I am absolutely impressed with
> your reply. It is uncommon to get a calm, balanced and objective
> response when it comes to comparative analysis (particularly in
> regards to Religion, Politics and Computer Platforms).
>
> I really appreciate that you're not only expressing your views and
> fundamenting your arguments with references, but also including URL's
> for easy verification and referral. Very thoughtfull of you, indeed.
>
> My next web-surfing session will undoubtedly include those Alpha
> Clones sites you mentioned. My concern would be quality of components
> and support from the vendors, since the prices you mention are
> certainly eye-opening.
Yes: buying a full-blown 533 mHz NT workstation for $1795 is mind-blowing.
Also, now that "barebones" 533 mHz machines can be had for $775 from DCG
<http://www.dcginc.com>; as well as Merced already 2 1/2 years late,
there's not much of an excuse for continuing down the 32 bit x86 path.
"Titanic" would have never made it to the Oscar Awards without help from a
bank of 200 Alpha's, either. [About half were running NT4 and the other
half *nix... All from Carrera.]
[more below]
> For instance, my HP Netservers are replaced within 24hours if they're
> unable to fix the hardware problem on-site (usually with a loaner that
> keeps my network running while my server is being repaired). Apple has
> the same kind of deal, as well as IBM and Compaq.
And the service will get even better from Compaq: The main reason for them
buying DIGITAL -- A 40 year player in the computer industry -- was to
acquire their service network.
> Have you had any experiences with any of those Alpha Clones vendors?
Yes: DCG is excellent as a dealer... And they are the low-cost Alpha
cloner (like Power Computing). By reputation, Aspen and Carrera are also
quite good, as is DEC themselves.
>
> As far as tweking the registry and using the "last known good
> configuration," as well as multiple reboots during installation, all
> those are perfect examples of why I would like to move away from NT.
> It's just too time consuming compared to Netware or AppleShare, and
> precisely those elements characteristic of Windows NT (whether 3.5 or
> 4.0) are what increases the TCO of such platform (IMO).
Yes, the multiple reboots are a bit of a pain when installing NT... And
don't forget another reboot after installing SP3.
However, when setting up multiple machines (like I'm doing right now with
three Compaq DeskPro 6000's for a customer ($799 MacWarehouse special)!),
you can set up one machine as a "reference," install and configure the OS,
then clone the drives and run a SID changer.
And guess what? I'll be cloning the SCSI drives on my trusty Quadra 650! :)
>
> What additional benefits are there in NT that could justify dedicating
> so much time and so much investment in hardware? I have been running
> NT 4.0 for almost a year and frankly, I am not impressed. Am I missing
> something?
Possibly: If you are getting BSOD's as you mentioned previously, then it
might be one of several things... And often these are also related to
performance bottlenecks.
1) Make sure your drivers are up to date: Go to each vendors site (such as
<http://www.adaptec.com>, <http://www.symbios.com>, <http://www.qlc.com>,
<http://www.diamondmm.com>, <http://www.matrox.com>,
<http://www.hp.com>,...) and download the latest driver packs; and also
look at the Release Notes & Read-Me's. Some of the manufacturers (notably
H-P and Diamond Multimedia) also have eMail notification when a new driver
is released -- A service I exploit.
[This advice is actually quite generic: I also keep tabs on key MacOS
software publishers for patches & updates from <http://www.connectix.com>,
<http://www.aladdinsys.com>, <http://www.adobe.com>, and
<http://www.quark.com>. The reason for this is that certain Extensions dig
down pretty deep into the MacOS, so that anytime the MacOS sneezes, ATM,
Stuffit Deluxe, and RAMDoubler need to be updated. In addition, I keep an
eye on Ric Ford's column at <http://www.macintouch.com>.]
2) Try to shut down extraneous Services: H-P's proprietary Services can be
a bit flaky, for example. Another example is to set certain Services to
"Manual" so that they only start when called upon. My philosophy for the
MacOS (as well as for NT) is to run with the minimum number of Extensions
(Services) possible -- Lean and Mean is my watchword;
3) Divide and Conquer: With hardware so inexpensive, it sometimes pays to
divide the load amongst several smaller machines. For example, set up a
spare desktop computer as your PDC, and then demote your other servers to
BDC's... Or even standalone status;
4) Don't be a N.E.R.D.: "No Emergency Repair Disk;"
5) Add the DWORD:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\FileSystem\NtfsDisableLastAcces
sUpdate" (no quotes) and set the DWORD value to 1. This will tremendously
speed up all disk access (as long as you don't need Security Auditing).
This is documented in both Sean Daily's "Optimizing Windows NT" book as
well as on this very WinMac site at <http://www.macwindows.com/servtips.html>;
6) Buy more RAM... It's cheaper than therapy! :)
> You are right in pointing out the superior underlying technology of NT
> as compared to the MacOS, but if all I wanted was a better kernel I
> would migrate to UNIX (Solaris, SCO or even Linux). By the way, are
> you familiar with that option?
Yes: There are four operating systems that run nicely on the Alpha
platform: Windows NT, OpenVMS, DIGITAL UNIX (64 bit), and Linux (64 bit).
In addition NT5 will be partially 64 bit for the Alpha ONLY.
I toyed around with Western Electric Unix on a PDP-11/45 in college almost
20 years ago; but if I had to go upwards from NT I would strongly consider
OpenVMS first. Some of the utilities for NT (such as Diskeeper) actually
originated in the OpenVMS arena and were then migrated to NT.
>
> Maybe you can provide me with an Alpha server with NT or Solaris at a
> good price point? Tech support by e-mail and fax is OK as long as is
> expedite. Perhaps you would like to help us change PC's for Macs in
> our remote offices in the future? (3 to 6 months) I see that you are a
> Mac consultat, at least that's what your signature says (though your
> posts seem to originate more from an NT consultant than a Macintosh
> one).
Actually, last year I